Grand Crosses and the Birth Chart of Doom? - Astrology Hotline

Episode 7

Grand Crosses and the Birth Chart of Doom?

Published on: 12th October, 2021

Tristan and Kyle respond to questions from Jet and Karoliina regarding grand crosses and if difficult placements in a birth chart mean that the nativity is doomed. If you have a question you would like answered on the podcast, send us your question at astrologyhotlinepod@gmail.com.

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Kyle Pierce:

Hello and welcome to astrology hotline to podcast where we

Kyle Pierce:

answer your questions about astrology. My name is Tristan

Kyle Pierce:

and hosting with me today is Kyle Pierce. Hello.

Tristan Paylor:

How are you doing today cow?

Kyle Pierce:

I'm doing quite well said my frappuccino. So if

Kyle Pierce:

you want pretty good. How are you doing today?

Tristan Paylor:

I'm pretty good. I haven't had a frappuccino so

Tristan Paylor:

maybe not as good as you but no complaints. Otherwise it's kind

Tristan Paylor:

of a dreary day here and

Tristan Paylor:

my efforts to feed the local bird population before winter

Tristan Paylor:

strikes are being thwarted by my backyard chipmunk.

Kyle Pierce:

What

Tristan Paylor:

is the chipmunk stealing the bird food? Oh yeah,

Tristan Paylor:

I mean the chipmunk is getting all of the bird food. You guys

Tristan Paylor:

are just jumping up there and stuffing her cheeks and leaving

Tristan Paylor:

and then coming back for another. She's just horrid.

Tristan Paylor:

She's holding it all she's transferring it from the bird

Tristan Paylor:

feeder to wherever food stashes.

Kyle Pierce:

Mean squirrels got a monk's gotta get get prepared

Kyle Pierce:

for the winter to you know, they do I you know, I have maybe some

Kyle Pierce:

extreme opinions about birds. So I might be on the chipmunk side

Kyle Pierce:

in this case.

Tristan Paylor:

Right, you're not dinosaurs. I mean, that's

Tristan Paylor:

why I love them. They're evil. They're evil. Why did you know?

Tristan Paylor:

Did you never go through the dinosaur phase as a kid? You

Tristan Paylor:

don't think dinosaurs are cool?

Kyle Pierce:

No, I think that dinosaurs are great. But they're

Kyle Pierce:

they're extinct. And I'm glad that they're extinct. I don't

Kyle Pierce:

want dinosaurs around. Well, I don't think anybody wants a pet

Kyle Pierce:

dinosaur because that will probably eat your head. Birds

Kyle Pierce:

would totally eat your head if they could, if they were big

Kyle Pierce:

enough to bite it

Tristan Paylor:

right. I've seen some pretty aggressive emus. So

Tristan Paylor:

yeah, you might not be wrong on that.

Kyle Pierce:

Reptile brains, flying rats. spreaders of

Kyle Pierce:

disease

Tristan Paylor:

oh my goodness, they're beautiful. They're

Tristan Paylor:

spread disease but they're beautiful.

Kyle Pierce:

I think we've had this conversation before where

Kyle Pierce:

you know you check into because I don't seem to a lot of like

Kyle Pierce:

ghost stories and stuff for Halloween coming up from getting

Kyle Pierce:

getting in the Spirit. And you know, people get like messages

Kyle Pierce:

from birds, you know, from spirits and they're like, kind

Kyle Pierce:

of a long store goal. trend of you know, birds being like

Kyle Pierce:

messengers from the other side. And that's maybe why I don't get

Kyle Pierce:

any because I hate birds so much.

Tristan Paylor:

Yeah, you might get some valuable information

Tristan Paylor:

from the spirit world if if you just let birds alone. Give them

Tristan Paylor:

a chance.

Kyle Pierce:

I am fine with birds overall. I just did in the

Kyle Pierce:

morning when they start chirping so early. It's so disturbing.

Kyle Pierce:

Just like these little noises. Like in the morning when you're

Kyle Pierce:

trying to sleep. Like that really early morning. I don't

Kyle Pierce:

know that though. You get up at what maybe that's why you get up

Kyle Pierce:

maybe it's the birds fault that you get up.

Tristan Paylor:

It's the window cleaners fault. It's my partner

Tristan Paylor:

who gets up Burley in the morning to go out and clean

Tristan Paylor:

windows every day. He's He's the bird that gets me up.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah. Well,

Unknown:

I don't trust morning people.

Kyle Pierce:

But I have never been a morning person. And yeah,

Kyle Pierce:

birds, birds get in the way of of that.

Tristan Paylor:

That's understandable. I can respect

Tristan Paylor:

that I can respect wanting your peace in the morning. Yeah, it's

Tristan Paylor:

interesting how in it sort of a trope in movies where the

Tristan Paylor:

protagonist starts off, not being a morning person. And then

Tristan Paylor:

they go on this whole adventure, and it's life changing. And then

Tristan Paylor:

by the end of the movie, they're up at the crack of dawn, cooking

Tristan Paylor:

breakfast, or whatever. And this is supposed to be like a

Tristan Paylor:

demonstration of how they've like grown into themselves. And

Tristan Paylor:

I kind of resent that because yeah, implies that people who

Tristan Paylor:

are not morning people are like, somehow less advanced, like

Tristan Paylor:

being a morning person is something we should strive for

Tristan Paylor:

when it's like, it's actually a matter of your inherent biology,

Tristan Paylor:

which is not under your conscious control is not a

Tristan Paylor:

virtue be treated, the morning person is not emerged you any

Tristan Paylor:

more than being a negative seeing a benefit. Yeah, it works

Tristan Paylor:

in the current context of most of our working lives.

Kyle Pierce:

Now I want to like see, see, that can look at a

Kyle Pierce:

chart and see that seems very much like it like the dignity

Kyle Pierce:

system in some way. And like, just by virtue of like your

Kyle Pierce:

nature, you know, you just happen to fit into what society

Kyle Pierce:

likes.

Tristan Paylor:

And maybe this is a manifestation of my

Tristan Paylor:

partner's exalted sun in Aries conjunct Jupiter is that he's

Tristan Paylor:

able to be a morning person. Hmm, yeah, it's, it's what is

Tristan Paylor:

favored by by society? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I'm, I'm,

Tristan Paylor:

like, midnight to 9am Or like, 11pm to 8am kind of person.

Tristan Paylor:

That's nice. That's not an early morning person. But

Kyle Pierce:

if you take away all obligations, for me, I'm

Kyle Pierce:

like 4am to, to noon person when I would like my body wants to

Kyle Pierce:

sleep around dawn when the birds start chirping. And don't let me

Kyle Pierce:

go to sleep. Though I don't get to do that now. Anyway, so thank

Kyle Pierce:

you birds, for making.

Tristan Paylor:

They're trying to hedge more on sustainable

Tristan Paylor:

making sure. Making sure you get to work on time. They're just

Tristan Paylor:

looking out for you. I would certainly be curious to know if

Tristan Paylor:

either of our question askers this episode are morning people.

Tristan Paylor:

Because our clearance because there's a lot of Cardinal energy

Tristan Paylor:

happening in this episode. Lots of cardinal sign action going

Tristan Paylor:

on. Yeah,

Kyle Pierce:

good. Nice segue. Tristan.

Tristan Paylor:

Yeah, you're welcome.

Kyle Pierce:

brings us into our our first question. So our first

Kyle Pierce:

question comes from jet. And jet has she has a Cardinal Grand

Kyle Pierce:

Cross in her chart, and would like to know more about grand

Kyle Pierce:

crosses, in general, but for more focus on Cardinal green

Kyle Pierce:

crosses, in particular. And she has also shared her chart with

Kyle Pierce:

us, which, you know, is a pretty awesome example of a Grand Cross

Kyle Pierce:

so well. You know what first thing that comes to your mind

Kyle Pierce:

when you think of grand grace is Tristan.

Tristan Paylor:

The key words that come to mind for me are

Tristan Paylor:

dynamic tension. And how that plays out obviously depends on

Tristan Paylor:

the planets involved in the Grand Cross and the mode that

Tristan Paylor:

they're in. I feel like it probably be helpful. In case we

Tristan Paylor:

have listeners who are very new to astrology to define some of

Tristan Paylor:

our terms first, so maybe we can explain what a Grand Cross is

Tristan Paylor:

and what Cardinal means, because the modes are important when it

Tristan Paylor:

comes to Grand crosses. So a Grand Cross is an aspect

Tristan Paylor:

pattern. It is formed by four planets that are all in the same

Tristan Paylor:

mode. The three modes are Cardinal, fixed and mutable. So

Tristan Paylor:

all 12 signs of the zodiac can be divided into these three

Tristan Paylor:

modes. And signs that have the same mode will either square or

Tristan Paylor:

oppose one another by aspects which is a tense sort of aspect,

Tristan Paylor:

a challenging aspect. Both the opposite addition and the square

Tristan Paylor:

are associated with the malefic planets. So not as like easy and

Tristan Paylor:

comfortable as the other aspects that could happen in a chart. So

Tristan Paylor:

the signs that are configured by a Grand Cross all have mode in

Tristan Paylor:

common, so they do have something in common. But there

Tristan Paylor:

can potentially be some disagreement about what goal

Tristan Paylor:

should be achieved with the energy they have, what sort of

Tristan Paylor:

direction they should be going in, there can be some sort of

Tristan Paylor:

competing interests happening. And it's, it's pretty easy to

Tristan Paylor:

spot a Grand Cross in a chart, if you're looking at the pattern

Tristan Paylor:

of aspects in the middle of a chart, you'll see a great big

Tristan Paylor:

square with an X in the middle, because you'll have two axes of

Tristan Paylor:

opposition and four squares between all four of these

Tristan Paylor:

planets all configured to each other.

Kyle Pierce:

four squares and two opposition's

Tristan Paylor:

exactly. I feel like that was probably a really

Tristan Paylor:

long winded explanation.

Kyle Pierce:

No, me No. And that's that's the essence of a

Kyle Pierce:

Grand Cross. But this was like other things I like to consider

Kyle Pierce:

just in not just grand crosses, but like interpreting squares

Kyle Pierce:

and opposition's you know, when you think of how the house

Kyle Pierce:

system is set up, you know, what are the the powerful houses the

Kyle Pierce:

most energetic houses, the they're the angular houses, the

Kyle Pierce:

first, the fourth, the seventh, and the 10th. So I mean, you

Kyle Pierce:

know, squares, and opposition's involve a lot of energy, you

Kyle Pierce:

know, they're, they're powerful. And maybe, depending on the

Kyle Pierce:

planets involved, and their relationship to each other, you

Kyle Pierce:

know, it could be more positive or more negative, more

Kyle Pierce:

challenging. But it gets, it's good to consider how powerful

Kyle Pierce:

can be different than favorable. You know, or powerful, powerful

Kyle Pierce:

isn't always easy. You know, it's not always smooth.

Tristan Paylor:

And I think that's a common interpretation

Tristan Paylor:

of the Grand Cross is that it is an aspect pattern. That takes a

Tristan Paylor:

lot of work.

Kyle Pierce:

But also, well, I mean, the, there's so many

Kyle Pierce:

factors involved in interpreting any given brain cross, but it

Kyle Pierce:

also involves a lot of energy. Which can be a good thing. I

Kyle Pierce:

think the challenge given the how there is sort of a conflict

Kyle Pierce:

built into all these squares, and opposition's is figuring out

Kyle Pierce:

how to channel that in a in a positive way. And my son has a

Kyle Pierce:

as a Cardinal Grand Cross. It's actually a very tight one. And

Kyle Pierce:

it's funny watching him play video games, because he is never

Kyle Pierce:

sitting down while he's playing. And he's always jumping, and

Kyle Pierce:

talking, while he's playing. He's doing all these things,

Kyle Pierce:

same time while playing this game. And that's kind of like

Kyle Pierce:

what a Cardinal Grand Cross in particular, but Green Cross in

Kyle Pierce:

general is that it's like multiple impulses or multiple

Kyle Pierce:

intentions, that are kind of at odds, you know, like, when I sit

Kyle Pierce:

in play video games, I sit and I hone in on on the game. You

Kyle Pierce:

know, if you try to talk to me, while I'm doing that, I'll

Kyle Pierce:

probably get annoyed with you. And while Declan likes to. He

Kyle Pierce:

likes to talk to you while I was playing the game, he likes to

Kyle Pierce:

talk to himself while he's playing the game. To move

Kyle Pierce:

around. I would say that there are ways to start with a way to

Kyle Pierce:

kind of manage that energy or I think traditionally, a lot of

Kyle Pierce:

what makes a opposition well square more difficult is the

Kyle Pierce:

lack of affinity I guess between the two elements, like Aries on

Kyle Pierce:

a planet in Aries would be squaring a planet in cancer. So

Kyle Pierce:

one is fire and one is water and the two very different elements.

Kyle Pierce:

So I mean, you get boiling water, I suppose or but water

Kyle Pierce:

could also put out the fire. They sort of destabilize to some

Kyle Pierce:

degree but they also promote change. The interaction promotes

Kyle Pierce:

change, while you know what stabilizing Trine is gonna maybe

Kyle Pierce:

promote a more more stable movement more stable. And once

Kyle Pierce:

they stay It is quo, but like a train, it's like, you know,

Kyle Pierce:

starting a job and getting a promotion after you know, a

Kyle Pierce:

certain amount of time or getting a steady raise, get

Kyle Pierce:

along with your coworkers, while like a square might be like a

Kyle Pierce:

sudden job change, or, you know, getting in a conflict with your

Kyle Pierce:

boss, and maybe your boss gets fired, and then you get to take

Kyle Pierce:

their job or something, or the other way around.

Tristan Paylor:

And I think that's all that's all excellent,

Tristan Paylor:

I love the description of a Grand Cross being sort of like

Tristan Paylor:

multiple impulses, that are all trying to express themselves at

Tristan Paylor:

once and all in different areas. And you know, the, the person

Tristan Paylor:

who's dealing with that sort of energy in their life is sort of

Tristan Paylor:

in this position of having to juggle all those different

Tristan Paylor:

impulses and all the different directions they want to go in,

Tristan Paylor:

you know, in this case, it's four different directions,

Tristan Paylor:

you're sort of being pulled in all at once, I think, especially

Tristan Paylor:

with the Cardinal Grand Cross, because Cardinal energy is all

Tristan Paylor:

about momentum, and forward movement and initiation. It is

Tristan Paylor:

all about change and initiating change. And you add cardinality

Tristan Paylor:

to the symbolism of the square, which is the aspect of Mars, so

Tristan Paylor:

you know, more challenging and more extreme, I like that

Tristan Paylor:

comparison of like, you know, getting a job and, you know,

Tristan Paylor:

sort of getting promoted, you know, when you're your job

Tristan Paylor:

review, and everything is just kind of going along as expected.

Tristan Paylor:

Like it's sort of going along according to script, that's very

Tristan Paylor:

much what the train, the energy of the train is, like, you know,

Tristan Paylor:

are being on the, the so called relationship escalator where you

Tristan Paylor:

know, you, you date, and then you know, you get engaged and

Tristan Paylor:

then you get married, you have kids, it's sort of like the

Tristan Paylor:

traditional cultural script for how a relationship is supposed

Tristan Paylor:

to change and grow or how, you know, the workplace is your

Tristan Paylor:

position, or your workplace is supposed to change and grow.

Tristan Paylor:

Whereas with a square, it's like, anything goes like

Tristan Paylor:

anything could happen at any point, you could be bouncing

Tristan Paylor:

from one extreme to the other. So it's that it's a little it's

Tristan Paylor:

a little more chaotic.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, and it's making me think of you, your

Kyle Pierce:

preferred exercise routine is climbing stairs, right?

Tristan Paylor:

Yeah, well, I was climbing stairs for a while,

Tristan Paylor:

and then I got a hold of an exercise bike. So it's been it's

Tristan Paylor:

been either way, it's the sort of like stationary, like,

Tristan Paylor:

steady, you know, one direction at a time, kind of, it's not

Tristan Paylor:

very kale. Yeah.

Kyle Pierce:

Well, just, it's making me think of just the

Kyle Pierce:

square by itself, right? And just the shape of it, it's right

Kyle Pierce:

angle, you know, I'll try and it's like, a nice, you know, can

Kyle Pierce:

you think of like a ramp? Did you kind of walk up the ramp,

Kyle Pierce:

and you don't have to like, it's like a gentle, slow, gentle

Kyle Pierce:

slope that you, you know, slowly climb up, and it doesn't take.

Kyle Pierce:

You're not expending quite as much energy, at least not at one

Kyle Pierce:

moment. But it might take you a little longer to get to the top

Kyle Pierce:

of the, you know, has to be a longer ramp to get to cover the

Kyle Pierce:

same distance. While stairs, you know, you climb up each stair

Kyle Pierce:

and if you've ever climbed up Winchester years, wears you out

Kyle Pierce:

pretty fast, right? So I kind of hard on your knees, but you can

Kyle Pierce:

also get up to higher levels faster.

Tristan Paylor:

Oh, yeah, that's a good point where it's like the

Tristan Paylor:

steepness. So I feel like that. That's good commentary on the

Tristan Paylor:

nature of Capricorn, which is a cardinal sign. And, you know,

Tristan Paylor:

because Capricorn tends to be associated more with tradition

Tristan Paylor:

and restraint. And you know, it has this sort of holding on or

Tristan Paylor:

blocking kind of energy. I think sometimes it's hard to

Tristan Paylor:

understand what makes Capricorn Cardinal but it's that like, you

Tristan Paylor:

are moving, you're just moving through more difficult terrain.

Tristan Paylor:

So your movement is maybe not as quick or as obvious as it would

Tristan Paylor:

be in a sign like cancer or Aries, but you are nonetheless,

Tristan Paylor:

you know, making forward movement. You're just kind of

Tristan Paylor:

struggling for like climbing up very, very steep stairs. Yeah.

Kyle Pierce:

Rugged, rugged terrain. Yeah, that makes me

Kyle Pierce:

think we'll just say a bit about difference between Cardinal

Kyle Pierce:

mutable and fixed, just so we maybe talk a little bit about

Kyle Pierce:

like the differences between like a Cardinal Grand Cross and

Kyle Pierce:

the fixed one and the mutable one. That Cardinal is all about,

Kyle Pierce:

you know, initiating things, it's initiating actions that are

Kyle Pierce:

the beginnings of things, starting things like a starting

Kyle Pierce:

up a company or something. Fixed signs are, I guess, status quo

Kyle Pierce:

to a degree, but they're kind of talking about things that are

Kyle Pierce:

already established already happening. And they sort

Tristan Paylor:

of they maintain the establishment. Yeah,

Kyle Pierce:

there's more of a lasting quality to fix signs,

Kyle Pierce:

but they're also you know, not as movable, you know, it's

Kyle Pierce:

already happening, the momentum is already there. And mutable

Kyle Pierce:

would be more about like the the endings of things, but also the

Kyle Pierce:

more transitory you think of like seasons Pisces, for

Kyle Pierce:

example. So mutable sign, it kind of comes at the very end of

Kyle Pierce:

winter, just before spring, so there's kind of that in between

Kyle Pierce:

period where it's kind of winter still, but it's, it's, you know,

Kyle Pierce:

the snows kind of starting to melt, sort of like preparing

Kyle Pierce:

for, for spring. So like mutable signs are a bit more adaptable,

Kyle Pierce:

but they maybe have a similar struggle is like cardinal signs

Kyle Pierce:

is kind of maintaining direction, right? Like they're

Kyle Pierce:

not as sort of maybe what like mutable signs aren't as good at,

Kyle Pierce:

like staying on one task, you know, for a long period of time.

Tristan Paylor:

Yeah, I think of mutable as switching back and

Tristan Paylor:

forth, or, or sort of being in two places at once or doing two

Tristan Paylor:

things at once. The the traditional term for them as

Tristan Paylor:

double bodied signs. And if you look at opportunity to symbols

Tristan Paylor:

for the mutable signs, yeah, there have two natures, or

Tristan Paylor:

they're literally split in two. And you can see it with all of

Tristan Paylor:

the symbols even, you know, Virgo is maybe the least obvious

Tristan Paylor:

but Virgo is often depicted as an angel, which is of two

Tristan Paylor:

natures right of, of the mind and spirit, you have a human who

Tristan Paylor:

also has some sort of divine nature as well. And you know,

Tristan Paylor:

Gemini and Pisces are pretty obvious because they're both

Tristan Paylor:

symbolized by two things. And you know, this, the center of

Tristan Paylor:

Sagittarius is half human, half horse. So you with all four

Tristan Paylor:

signs, you have this meeting of two natures, sort of both acting

Tristan Paylor:

at once, or alternating. And I think that's sort of the key

Tristan Paylor:

difference between mutable and Cardinal, because both of those

Tristan Paylor:

modalities are about change. But in the case of Cardinal, it's

Tristan Paylor:

more like, you know, moving from one thing to the next, and with

Tristan Paylor:

mutable, it's more about having your foot your feet planted in

Tristan Paylor:

two different worlds simultaneously. Yeah. And having

Tristan Paylor:

to sort of be flexible, because you never know what sort of

Tristan Paylor:

demands might be placed on you by the sort of opposite

Tristan Paylor:

expectations.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, and I guess thinking about that, in the

Kyle Pierce:

context of grand crosses, like a generally, I mean, a lot of the

Kyle Pierce:

common discussion around Grand crosses and think in practice,

Kyle Pierce:

when I, like, I've noticed is that Cardinal Grand crosses are

Kyle Pierce:

a little I want to say easier, but they're a little. Like a

Kyle Pierce:

Grand Cross is more compatible with the nature of Cardinal

Kyle Pierce:

signs in general. Yeah. Can you think of somebody like kind of,

Kyle Pierce:

like constantly starting new things? Like I don't know, like

Kyle Pierce:

getting like multiple balls rolling? And maybe always having

Kyle Pierce:

these like, different balls rolling all the time. So it

Kyle Pierce:

makes me think of the way that he you know, anything about how

Kyle Pierce:

like, electric motors work?

Tristan Paylor:

I'm absolutely terrible at anything mechanical.

Tristan Paylor:

I did not understand it.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah. I mean, I don't I only know the essence of

Kyle Pierce:

of it. I am not mechanical in any way. Yeah, so essentially,

Kyle Pierce:

the way a motor works is, you know, when a electric current

Kyle Pierce:

passes through a coil, in a magnetic field, the magnetic

Kyle Pierce:

force produces like torque, which turns the motor and then

Kyle Pierce:

there's like a communicator that like reverses the current, each

Kyle Pierce:

half revolution to like keep the torque turning the same coil,

Kyle Pierce:

like in the same direction. So like, you know, creates this

Kyle Pierce:

very, you know, active movement. And while it's only you know,

Kyle Pierce:

dealing with two pole poles like a good well oiled Grand Cross,

Kyle Pierce:

makes me think of that of like how electric motor works. It's a

Kyle Pierce:

lot of dynamic energy. That when you know going smoothly, can

Kyle Pierce:

generate a lot of power generate a lot of dynamic action. It can

Kyle Pierce:

be like very constructive.

Tristan Paylor:

It can but I can imagine it you No, can also get

Tristan Paylor:

very tiring because that motor does not shut off in the case of

Tristan Paylor:

a Cardinal Grand Cross going, although you know the the nature

Tristan Paylor:

of the planets involved can change that with with jets,

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Cardinal Grand Cross in particular, the four planets

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involved our Jupiter, Mars, Venus and the moon. And we've

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got Jet's chart up in the show notes. So if you want to take a

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look at it and follow along, please do so. So jet was born

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with Libra rising. And Jupiter is in Libra as well in the first

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house. So if you've been listening carefully, you may

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already realize that this particular garden Cardinal Grand

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Cross is taking place in the angular houses in jets chart,

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because Cardinal planet number one is Jupiter in Libra right

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there in the first house. Then we have the Moon in Capricorn,

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in the fourth house forming another point of the Grand

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Cross. And then in the seventh house, we have Venus in Aries.

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And finally, in the 10th house, we have Mars in Cancer. And that

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completes our Grand Cross of Cardinal planets. So something I

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find kind of interesting about this one is that you have some

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like, pretty soft and gentle planets making up you know, the

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three points at the bottom of the Grand Cross, at least, you

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know, visually in this chart there at the bottom there. And

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although like, you know, the moon and Capricorn and Venus in

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Aries are maybe not as traditionally soft and fluffy as

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the Moon and Venus are sort of like pure archetypes of

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themselves. It's, you know, despite being like, you know,

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them all squaring and opposing each other, you know, those are

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generally pretty gentle natured planets. And when you have a

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square from a benefic planet, like Jupiter or Venus, it's

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actually really supportive. And if the benefic is earlier in the

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order of zodiacal signs, and it's squaring another planet,

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it's actually modifying that planet so it's, it's giving it

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so much support that ancient astrologers are just like, this

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is one of the best things that you can possibly have in a

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chart. So even though it's like it's still a tense aspect, when

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you have the benefits involved, it's it's a little bit less like

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somebody's trying to fight you and a little bit more like, you

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know, maybe an accountability buddy who, you know, they, they

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do light a little bit of a fire under your butt to get moving,

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but in a very supportive, friendly, gentle sort of way,

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you know, and they're, they're providing resources and, you

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know, maybe wisdom and advice like, in the case of Jupiter and

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Libra, squaring the Moon in Capricorn, Jupiter is you know,

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quantifying the moon. So you know, that sort of like, Jupiter

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may be acting as a mentor, or, you know, giving the moon some

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good advice or giving the moon like connections or, you know,

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literal resources that help the moon do what it wants to do. So,

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it's, it's still, you know, a little bit more active than if

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that was a Trine but it's nonetheless like, you know, not

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traditionally a difficult aspect despite being a square. But then

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when you get to the top of the Grand Cross, you have Mars and I

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feel like Mars is really the, you know, the one that's kind of

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moving all of this and like injecting a little bit of like

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fire and sharpness into this overall Grand Cross and sort of

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stirring the pot.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah. Yeah, well, it's mean, squares or the nature

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of Mars, right? But squares with like, genetics, or software

Kyle Pierce:

planets, you know, I think like, the essential energy of a square

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is just, it's excessive to some degree, or just like a lot. So,

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you know, that can look like more. You know, just thinking of

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like the mentor. analogy, like you have your mentor that's

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like, way to go like, you know, you're on the right track. You

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know, maybe touch up this here and there. You know, keep

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putting your work in and like, you know, you're on your way to,

Kyle Pierce:

you know, that fantastic acid essay that you've been wanting

Kyle Pierce:

to write while like You know, with the square like Jupiter,

Kyle Pierce:

squaring the moon, right? Look a little more like, more

Kyle Pierce:

energetic, enthusiastic, praise or enthusiasm. You want to like

Kyle Pierce:

push forward faster, can be a little excessive, though, like

Kyle Pierce:

maybe unrealistic expectations that are overall positive, like

Kyle Pierce:

pushing you forward in a positive direction

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creates sort of a high standard to live up to.

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Yeah, there's like he has a real sense of ambition.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, when I think like Moon Jupiter, I always just

Kyle Pierce:

feel like, like optimism, you know, right, it's very, adds a

Kyle Pierce:

lot of optimism to the moon, right to your emotional state to

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some degree. And then like a smoother aspect, you know, it's

Kyle Pierce:

a little more realistic optimism. But in like a harder

Kyle Pierce:

aspect, it might be a little more excessive, you know, that

Kyle Pierce:

could be, you know, met with disappointment here and there,

Kyle Pierce:

too. I guess, you know, the, the hard aspects being of the nature

Kyle Pierce:

of both in the Olympics in the Olympics, and dealing with

Kyle Pierce:

extremes, I do like to think of excess with hard aspects, which

Kyle Pierce:

can be nice. If it's like, Jupiter, or square Venus, having

Kyle Pierce:

excess money, or friends, is great. But they can also, you

Kyle Pierce:

know, you could party too much as well,

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I think some of the potential difficulties with

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the nature of a Cardinal Grand Cross are a risk of burnout, you

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know, trying to take on too much trying to do too much trying to

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do too much at once, not giving yourself enough of a break

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between projects or feeling pulled in, you know, in this

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case, you're literally being pulled in four directions at

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once, that's sort of the visually, that's what the Grand

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Cross is, is like your life sort of being pulled with the same

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amount of like, intensity and ambition, but in four different

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directions, all at the same time. Which, you know, some

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people can certainly pull off, but you know, there's, there's a

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point at which you need to stop and rest because there is only

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so much that any one of us is capable of. And this one in

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particular, you know, taking place in the angular houses is

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really interesting, because you have a planet in the first

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house, which has to do with the self, and, you know, having a

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strong sense of individual identity. And the fourth house,

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which has to do with home and family, and the seventh house

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that has to do with relationships, and the 10th

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house, that has to do with your career, and your you know,

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interface with the world and your public life, which are all

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sort of, you know, they're the angular houses, because those

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are the four sort of most pivotal and usually significant

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areas of life for all of us that are pretty universal, right? You

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know, that's, that is where we encounter things that profoundly

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change us and that move our story forward significantly. So

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there can be, you know, perhaps a sense of competing ambitions

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where it's like, you know, I want to be the best me I can

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possibly be is what Jupiter in the first house is saying, and,

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you know, the moon in the fourth house is saying, like, I want to

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be, you know, the best family member ever, and I want to have,

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you know, a really fulfilling private life and have like, a

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lovely home, I want it to be like clean and organized and you

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know, all of the sorts of ambitions you could have related

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to home and family and then you know, Venus in the seventh house

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is like I want to have really great relationships and you

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know, be it be an expert on you know, interpersonal interaction

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and the Mars in the 10th is like, I want to be I want a

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legacy, you know, I want to make a name for myself in the world,

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and have you know, pursue a career that gives me a sense of

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purpose and trying to have all four of those things sort of

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like maxtow You're sort of like mid maxing and a video game

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right like it's, that's a lot like it's it's certainly a

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worthwhile ambition to have but you know, there's this sense of

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like, wanting to be the best and achieve as much as possible in

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like all of the really significant areas of life all at

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once.

Kyle Pierce:

Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, that's like the maxing out your

Kyle Pierce:

your video game character analogy. It's like usually most

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games like there's like a you know, you get so many wonder XP

Kyle Pierce:

points that You can put towards different upgrading different

Kyle Pierce:

skills, you know, so you're not going to get like a character

Kyle Pierce:

with 100 points in all, all the different categories, you know,

Kyle Pierce:

usually emphasizing like agility is going to come at the expense

Kyle Pierce:

of something else, you know, if you want to be agile you need

Kyle Pierce:

you can't be as strong or something. So yeah, I think

Kyle Pierce:

Grendel Grendel, a

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garden home grant grant an owl, or just a

Kyle Pierce:

Green Cross in general. Yeah, it's gonna kind

Kyle Pierce:

of look like that, like, wanting to put so much energy in so many

Kyle Pierce:

different things. But you, there's a maximum limit, human

Kyle Pierce:

wise and time wise to, you know, how much you can accomplish in

Kyle Pierce:

each area, like you kind of have to, to focus it a bit. To get

Kyle Pierce:

results, it's gonna look like starting a lot of things, maybe

Kyle Pierce:

not finishing them in theory.

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You know, there's, so I have, I don't have

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a Grand Cross in my chart. But I do have an extremely Cardinal

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chart. It's like, 95% Cardinal, it's ridiculous how Cardinal my

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chart is. When I was first doing astrology classes, my astrology

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teacher put all of our charts up on the wall. And mine was the

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one chart that would not stay stuck to the wall. Yeah, it just

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kept the tape kept peeling away from the wall, and it kept

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falling down. And we would just joke that like it was it was to

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Cardinal to stay in this place. And I remember, as a kid,

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reading some sort of children's novel, I don't remember the

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book. I don't remember what it was about. But I have a vivid

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memory of this one scene in the book, where a character got into

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an apple harvest, I think, and just took a single bite out of

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every single one of the Oh, yeah, like that. Yeah. And like,

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you know, when their parent or caregiver, whoever it was, saw

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what happened, they were just like, I mean, you know, the

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whole the apple harvest was ruined. But like, instead of

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getting, you know, angry and upset, they were like, Why did

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you do this? And the kid was like, because the first byte

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tastes the best. That's the best one. And I've never related to

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anything so hard in my entire life. Like, I've forgotten the

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whole the context that the story was in, but I was just like,

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Yeah, it's true. The first the first bite is the best. And I

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think Cardinal energy can be a bit like that, like taking one

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bite out of 1000 apples. Yeah.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, that's, that's a great analogy. Say I

Kyle Pierce:

have a very fixed chart. We think like, what, six of my

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planets are involved in a T square, which is not quite the

Kyle Pierce:

same as his Grand Cross, but similar. And yeah, I do. I have

Kyle Pierce:

a similar tendency to want to put a lot of energy and a lot of

Kyle Pierce:

different things. But it do have a little bit harder of a time

Kyle Pierce:

with initiating things kind of want to skip to the, to the

Kyle Pierce:

middle part of the language where everything's just running

Kyle Pierce:

smoothly, I want to get to that part. And there's kind of the

Kyle Pierce:

frustration with like, a more of a fixed goodbye, that to like a

Kyle Pierce:

Grand Cross, like a fixed Grand Cross would be harder to get

Kyle Pierce:

moving. You know, you'd like a lot more stuck sort of energy.

Kyle Pierce:

Leave a lot of it's gonna say like a catch. 22.

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Like, do I like that description of just wanting

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to get to the middle part? You know, just wanting it's funny

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because I

Kyle Pierce:

don't eat the crust. When I want the oldest

Kyle Pierce:

stuff in the middle.

Tristan Paylor:

Yeah, you want the middle of the Oreo, juicy

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middle part. Yeah.

Kyle Pierce:

I want to get a little bit more into focus a

Kyle Pierce:

little bit on jets, Grand Cross,

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because there is no Saturn in this Grand Cross.

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So it's really the wheels turning, there's kind of nobody,

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nobody has their foot on the brake. In this particular Grand

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Cross.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, they're all planets that are down to move,

Kyle Pierce:

you know? Yeah, the moon is very fast moving Venus. You know,

Kyle Pierce:

benefics I mean, just Jupiter, it has its domiciles are mutable

Kyle Pierce:

but has an exultation and a cardinal sign. Venus has a

Kyle Pierce:

domicile in the cardinal sign. The moon, you know, it's

Kyle Pierce:

domiciles Cardinal Mars likes Cardinal. They're there, you

Kyle Pierce:

know. You're down to move. So I would Yeah, I would think a lot

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of restless movement, but there. I would think that like, when

Kyle Pierce:

there's a lot of reception involved, I think that you get a

Kyle Pierce:

little bit more of the electric motor running as opposed was two

Kyle Pierce:

parts a bunch of parts that don't really fit together, you

Kyle Pierce:

know, like finding a way to, to harmonize them or to combine

Kyle Pierce:

things is gonna be easier. I think when there's reception and

Kyle Pierce:

there's quite a bit in this one

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you got a lot, there's a lot of reception going

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on there a lot of like, there's some potential disagreements,

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but there are a lot of there's a lot of sympathy going on as

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well.

Kyle Pierce:

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I think like Venus is an Aries.

Kyle Pierce:

And it's in the overcoming square with Mars, and Mars rules

Kyle Pierce:

Aries. So I mean, there is a sort of an exchange of like a

Kyle Pierce:

trade relationship or something between countries where you have

Kyle Pierce:

something you want, and you have something I want, so we don't

Kyle Pierce:

need to fight each other. It's, it's actually more profitable

Kyle Pierce:

for us not to fight in, in, you know, do business,

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and the Venus being in the seventh house,

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representing relationships and partnerships. But also being an

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Aries, which is the sign of Venus is detriment, you know,

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which could indicate relationships that are a little

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more unconventional, or that go against the grain in some way.

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But nonetheless, you know, those relationships are supporting

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what Mars is trying to do. So, you know, this can be, you know,

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you you want to have the greatest relationships and also

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have the greatest career, but they're, those two areas of life

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are actually potentially really working together. Well, yeah,

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both of the planets are in kind of unconventional signs. So you

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know, if it's a, a relationship, that's, you know, a little a

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little Venus and Aries II, you know, a little bit a

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relationship that kind of goes off script or sort of defies

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norms or expectations in some way, Mars in Cancer is also a

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Mars that defies expectations. So, you know, they've kind of

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got each other's back in that sense. And, you know, because

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Venus is in the domicile of Mars and is in, you know, the

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overcoming position, it's sort of like, Venus is being treated

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as a guest of Mars, but also has, you know, a certain amount

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of power in that situation. You know, because Venus is earlier

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in zodiacal order, you know, Venus is able to, to make

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demands of their host. Yeah, so, you know, I would, I would think

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that's actually like, it's, it's dynamic, and, you know,

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potentially challenging and that, you know, what you might

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want to do in those two areas of life, you know, you may have to

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do some of those, you know, achieve some of those goals in a

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way that is defiant of, you know, what is expected of you.

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But, nonetheless, those two areas of life are supporting one

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another. Yeah, it's not a contest. It's not like it's

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sometimes with grand crosses, it can be like one area of life,

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implicated in the Grand Cross needs to be sacrificed for

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another or, you know, like, how do you compromise between these

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four competing interests, and there's one that's sort of

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asking the other to make a sacrifice, like you need to

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spend less time on your relationships if you want to

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pursue you know, graduate degree or whatever it is, you know,

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those two areas of your life are demanding that one of them needs

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to be sacrificed for the other in this section of the Grand

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Cross it doesn't look like that kind of situation. It doesn't

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look like relationships or career needs to be sacrificed

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for the other

Kyle Pierce:

No. You know, not necessarily how it's played out

Kyle Pierce:

or played out yet but that makes me think of like a like a power

Kyle Pierce:

couple. Like there are a couple

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eccentric power couple but

Kyle Pierce:

like they don't have to Yeah, they don't have to

Kyle Pierce:

exist as two separate spheres of life like there's ways that they

Kyle Pierce:

can merge yeah to some degree and support each other. Which

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, which I thought the ways I can think of that that would

Kyle Pierce:

play out more favorably similarly to like with the Venus

Kyle Pierce:

Venus is opposing Jupiter in the first and Venus rules Jupiter

Kyle Pierce:

you know like there's a there's reception there not that we

Kyle Pierce:

would be too worried about a Venus Jupiter opposition and

Kyle Pierce:

thankfully I think

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realizing Yeah, also that that's

Kyle Pierce:

why We are and energetic, enthusiastic.

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And so when I think of when I think of like

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Venus and Jupiter and heart aspect to each other, I think

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more of like two friends who really love each other, like

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shouting overtop of other voices and music at a bar so they can

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hear each other, you know, or it's just like that kind of

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exuberant,

Kyle Pierce:

energy and each other to more and more fire

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pushing each other to succeed a little.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, that one I like. And Jupiter is also in a

Kyle Pierce:

position where it can modify the moon and overcoming square with

Kyle Pierce:

with the moon, in Capricorn in the fourth, which I think helps.

Kyle Pierce:

The fact that like Mars has been modified by Venus in the moon

Kyle Pierce:

has been modified by Jupiter. And it helps with that

Kyle Pierce:

opposition, the Moon and Mars. But there is some reception

Kyle Pierce:

there as well. Mars, exalted in Capricorn, in the moon rules,

Kyle Pierce:

cancer, like a mixed reception, not that that's gonna, you know,

Kyle Pierce:

make that the easiest aspect in the world by any means, but

Kyle Pierce:

it's, it's gonna help a lot. It describes like a, like

Kyle Pierce:

difficulty, but it's sort of, because they are to some degree

Kyle Pierce:

responsible to each other, Mars and the Moon. There, it sort of

Kyle Pierce:

points to a path to like integrating the two, to making

Kyle Pierce:

them more cooperative, or making, you know, more maybe

Kyle Pierce:

more obvious, obvious, but more accessible solutions to the

Kyle Pierce:

problems that that opposition describes.

Tristan Paylor:

And looking in to that opposition with more

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detail. You know, we've got the moon in the fourth house and

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Mars in the 10th. And the moon is generally about relaxation,

Tristan Paylor:

and how we get comfortable, how we take care of ourselves, you

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know, the the moon is, is a cozy sort of energy, and, you know,

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has to do with like, where we're doing the moon, when we are

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unwinding, you know, we're doing the moon when we're nourishing

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ourselves, you know, when we're taking a nice bubble bath and

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having a snack like that's, that's a lunar activity,

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typically not marketing, not when we're on Mars, saying, you

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know, we're out trying to take over the world. So, you know,

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those two planets are generally at odds with each other, which

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is also why, you know, they don't tend to be super

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comfortable in each other's signs. So with, you know, the

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Mars opposition. One way that can manifest is difficulty

Tristan Paylor:

relaxing, because the moon is how we get comfortable, and Mars

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is like, there's always a crisis, there's always an

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emergency as far as Mars is concerned, and there's always

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something else to do, and you need to always be vigilant and

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ready to act quickly. You know, in the poor Moon is like, I'm

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just trying to have a cup of tea and read my book and Mars is

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like, but at any moment, an alarm bell could go off, and you

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need to be ready. So there's, you know, and because of the

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houses they're in, that kind of fits in with the symbolism well

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to since the moon is in the fourth house, which is about

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home and private life. So like the moon here is really just

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like, I just want to go, you know, in into my private space,

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and, you know, not be seen by anybody and just relax and Mars

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is up there, like wanting to be seen in this very public place,

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being very ambitious being like, you know, we've got, you know,

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we don't have time for this, we've, we've got to keep working

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and working and working in order to, you know, achieve these

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ambitions. So it could, you know, potentially be a very

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restless energy that, you know, could be liable to burnout. But

Tristan Paylor:

because the moon is in Mars, a sign of exultation, and Mars is

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in the moon's domicile, they do have a little more sympathy for

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each other. And they're able to kind of exchange resources a

Tristan Paylor:

little bit, which I think takes the edge off of that

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combination.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah. Yeah, that was a good deal the edge and,

Kyle Pierce:

like, you know, you can work from home, right? I mean,

Kyle Pierce:

there's there's way Yeah, merge the fourth and 10th houses.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, it's not like an impossible thing. And having,

Kyle Pierce:

you know, reception between the planets ruling those houses or

Kyle Pierce:

plants in those houses, like is going to go by create like

Kyle Pierce:

avenues, sort of outlets. So I mean, it's, I don't want to say

Kyle Pierce:

like, oh, you know, it's gonna be easy to to sit back and relax

Kyle Pierce:

and have your tea. But it may be like, I don't know, the some

Kyle Pierce:

degree it's makes me think about the shark. How sharks can never

Kyle Pierce:

stop swimming.

Tristan Paylor:

Right? They can't just, yeah, they still

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they gotta keep moving

Kyle Pierce:

while they swim while they sleep. You know?

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah. After they drown if they don't, that's a really good

Kyle Pierce:

image. So I mean, there's a way that like that that movement,

Kyle Pierce:

that constant like energy and restlessness, it probably feels

Kyle Pierce:

best, you know, when you're actually moving and acting on

Kyle Pierce:

things, which can be very productive. But then yeah, like

Kyle Pierce:

he's interested in the burnout. So, you know, I mean, it seems

Kyle Pierce:

like having, I don't know, a cycle that could work pretty

Kyle Pierce:

well of, you know, working hard and playing hard, or, you know,

Kyle Pierce:

going on a nice vacation after, you know, a long stint of

Kyle Pierce:

workaholism?

Tristan Paylor:

Well, yeah, it's that the sort of extreme nature

Tristan Paylor:

of these aspects and also just the extreme nature of literally

Tristan Paylor:

anything that involves Mars, I think about will even like, you

Tristan Paylor:

know, what my partner does, who has a very prolific chart. And

Tristan Paylor:

his work is very seasonal. So he works insanely hard, you know,

Tristan Paylor:

like 10 hour days, doing, like really demanding physical labor,

Tristan Paylor:

and a ton of commuting, like he travels for hours every day. And

Tristan Paylor:

then, you know, he has a whole bunch of projects at home, some

Tristan Paylor:

of which are also connected to career. And so you know, he'll

Tristan Paylor:

come home after a 10 hour shift, and you know, work for three

Tristan Paylor:

more. And that's just you know, how he is, but then, because of

Tristan Paylor:

the nature of his work, he also gets most of the winter off. So

Tristan Paylor:

it's that going from one extreme to the next, like, you work

Tristan Paylor:

yourself, you know, like a horse, and then you take, you

Tristan Paylor:

know, a lot more time off at once compared to other people

Tristan Paylor:

mean tea, I don't know I a lot about teaching, but I feel like

Tristan Paylor:

teaching can probably be one of those jobs, too, or it's just

Tristan Paylor:

like really demanding, and really intense when you're at

Tristan Paylor:

work. And then you know, you get the summer off. And, yeah, so

Tristan Paylor:

you're sort of bouncing between those two extremes all the time.

Tristan Paylor:

Yeah. And

Kyle Pierce:

I mean, that, I think the key is finding the

Kyle Pierce:

balance, finding balance in that. And that could look very

Kyle Pierce:

differently. I mean, it be like a daily sort of balance that

Kyle Pierce:

maybe, like a broader scale, like, a seasonal sort of

Kyle Pierce:

balance. But I mean, I think maybe the obvious problem to me

Kyle Pierce:

is just the burnout, but just yeah, like even noticing when

Kyle Pierce:

you're burning out, and maybe not until it's too late. Maybe

Kyle Pierce:

having to do that a couple of times before you maybe get the

Kyle Pierce:

message of like, oh, this is what happens when I'm burning

Kyle Pierce:

out or when I'm not taking care of myself working too much.

Tristan Paylor:

Yeah, that's thing that's the case with sort

Tristan Paylor:

of more extreme types of energy is that you don't always when

Tristan Paylor:

you're in the thick of it, you know, you're just sort of

Tristan Paylor:

intoxicated by that, you know, needing to keep moving forward.

Tristan Paylor:

And you don't actually know where the limits are until you

Tristan Paylor:

reach them. And you hit that wall. I think that can be, you

Tristan Paylor:

know, one of the characteristics of squares, and opposition's as

Tristan Paylor:

you, you kind of do have to go too far a couple of times in

Tristan Paylor:

order to know where to far is and then you're like, Okay, I

Tristan Paylor:

understand how to work with this now. But you kind of have to

Tristan Paylor:

learn the lesson the hard way at times.

Kyle Pierce:

I mean, speaking from experience, and to some

Kyle Pierce:

degree, it's a can t squares not quite the same, but he gets some

Kyle Pierce:

similar manifestations? I don't know. Yeah, almost like, it's

Kyle Pierce:

like the hard aspects make things more Cardinal like. And I

Kyle Pierce:

think maybe with a fixed grand grace or T square, aspect

Kyle Pierce:

pattern like that. It's learning to be more fixed, learning to

Kyle Pierce:

take a slower, steadier pace. I know once I start doing

Kyle Pierce:

something I'm into, I want to do it for the next, you know, 20

Kyle Pierce:

hours if I can. But obviously, that would be very

Kyle Pierce:

destabilizing.

Tristan Paylor:

And I think maybe one of the sort of key

Tristan Paylor:

differences between a a cardinal or mutable Grand Cross and a

Tristan Paylor:

fixed one is that, you know, you potentially have these competing

Tristan Paylor:

interests. And in the case of, you know, Cardinal, you're all

Tristan Paylor:

going to try to like start at once and sort of yell over top

Tristan Paylor:

of each other. And with mutable, you're going to try to juggle

Tristan Paylor:

everything at once. And with fixed, it's like everybody, you

Tristan Paylor:

don't get started at all, because everyone is disagreeing

Tristan Paylor:

about what to do. So you're kind of stuck in that stage of like,

Tristan Paylor:

okay, well, who's going to win? And, you know, they can't decide

Tristan Paylor:

like, what direction do we go in first because they all want to

Tristan Paylor:

go into four different places, but I you know, and I think of

Tristan Paylor:

like the cardinal version, it reminds me a little bit more of

Tristan Paylor:

the picture on the two of Pentacles and a Rider Waite deck

Tristan Paylor:

where you know, there's this like swirling see with all the

Tristan Paylor:

waves behind the figure and the boats are kind of being tossed

Tristan Paylor:

on the sea and the figure is juggling, you know, the two

Tristan Paylor:

Pentacles and like dancing at the same time, where it's just

Tristan Paylor:

like I'm doing everything at once and Meanwhile, you know is

Tristan Paylor:

Fixed sign buddy is just like I haven't even started yet.

Kyle Pierce:

I know which one I want to juggle right now. Yeah,

Kyle Pierce:

it's been one for a long time. And then yeah, maybe addressed

Kyle Pierce:

the other one later on. When I'm in the mood debts,

Tristan Paylor:

maybe a bit more of a four of pentacles energy

Tristan Paylor:

where the figure is just like sitting there hunched over, like

Tristan Paylor:

hanging on to all the Pentacles. Like, I could do something with

Tristan Paylor:

each of these four Pentacles. But I don't really know what to

Tristan Paylor:

do first, so I'm just gonna hold. And meanwhile, the

Tristan Paylor:

cardinal one is just like, I'm gonna use all four coins at once

Tristan Paylor:

and just hope for the best.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah. Yeah, I think like, traditionally, a lot of

Kyle Pierce:

like, the interpretive principles of astrology, it all

Kyle Pierce:

kind of comes down to affinity between planets and what

Kyle Pierce:

situation they're in. So I do find that, you know, a Grand

Kyle Pierce:

Cross has more affinity to Cardinal signs, and even like

Kyle Pierce:

Angular houses as well.

Tristan Paylor:

Yeah, where they're action oriented houses,

Tristan Paylor:

they're change oriented houses, they're focused on movement. And

Tristan Paylor:

they're sort of they're the peak, right? Like, they're the

Tristan Paylor:

culmination point. So there's that sense of like, elevated,

Tristan Paylor:

the things that are in them are elevated, and there's also just

Tristan Paylor:

like, an intense concentration of like, focused energy.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, some sounds like a busy life.

Tristan Paylor:

It does. It does sound like a busy life. I do I

Tristan Paylor:

do want to say that I know Jack personally. And she is just like

Tristan Paylor:

an incredibly wise and supportive and generous and kind

Tristan Paylor:

person. So if any listeners are looking at her chart, and

Tristan Paylor:

they're curious to know what the chart of a incredibly decent

Tristan Paylor:

human being looks like, you are looking at it. This is just the

Tristan Paylor:

chart of a very Jupiter in the first Yeah, Jupiter in the first

Tristan Paylor:

There you go. Just like friendly and generous and supportive.

Tristan Paylor:

That's the Jupiter is that like, you know, person you look up to

Tristan Paylor:

who's like always there for you kind of energy.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, it's, I like this chart. I don't think it's

Kyle Pierce:

fun. I mean, yeah.

Tristan Paylor:

It's just like, almost all the planets are in

Tristan Paylor:

places, they're not supposed to be there. Like five of the seven

Tristan Paylor:

traditional planets are either in detriment or fall and they're

Tristan Paylor:

just like, you know, we're just gonna make the most of this

Tristan Paylor:

somehow

Kyle Pierce:

they got my like UFC reach that research is

Kyle Pierce:

really got me rethinking how important dignity really is, I

Kyle Pierce:

don't know, I don't know if like planet has to be in a good sign

Kyle Pierce:

to function. Well. Think even, like, a lot of traditional

Kyle Pierce:

thinking is more focused on house placement and angularity

Kyle Pierce:

and all that. Yeah. But they definitely come with challenges,

Kyle Pierce:

but said it before say it again. I think there's a lot of room in

Kyle Pierce:

the world now for people acting. In non traditional ways, or

Tristan Paylor:

maybe when it's green a little bit. Yeah, maybe

Tristan Paylor:

that's I mean, you know, the world is still a pretty

Tristan Paylor:

difficult place. But you know, if you think about, you know,

Tristan Paylor:

like, where I'm sitting in Canada, in the 21st century,

Tristan Paylor:

compared to you know, somebody living 1000 years ago, it's this

Tristan Paylor:

sort of extreme interpretations of planets in different sorts of

Tristan Paylor:

dignity, in traditional astrology and maybe make more

Tristan Paylor:

sense in a society where it's like, most people are you know,

Tristan Paylor:

they most most people in that society don't have any power

Tristan Paylor:

whatsoever. Yeah, and they're just kind of at the whim of this

Tristan Paylor:

system in a really sort of extreme way. You know, whereas,

Tristan Paylor:

like, I'm somebody who doesn't have a lot of you know, sort of

Tristan Paylor:

power and influence or whatever, but, like, there's more sort of

Tristan Paylor:

room for me in in the world than there would have been, you know,

Tristan Paylor:

1000 years ago.

Kyle Pierce:

Maybe like, not at the world, in the world at large

Kyle Pierce:

but like within your, you know, your community within your

Kyle Pierce:

communities you're involved in Yeah,

Tristan Paylor:

that's that's a good way to put it. But yeah, I

Tristan Paylor:

guess it's like, there are spaces for me even though in a

Tristan Paylor:

lot of ways, I am unconventional and sort of, you know, the the

Tristan Paylor:

usual scripts don't tend to include me there are at least

Tristan Paylor:

still spaces for me where I can, you know, have influence and

Tristan Paylor:

like, have community and express myself and you know, there are

Tristan Paylor:

or more opportunities for me to make creative use of sort of the

Tristan Paylor:

unusual circumstances I've been dealt whereas, you know, in, in

Tristan Paylor:

other times in human history, that would not have been the

Tristan Paylor:

case.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, absolutely. I think that's, you know, it's

Kyle Pierce:

like want to qualify everything that I say but I mean, the world

Kyle Pierce:

now is not, you know, all roses and, you know, cherry orchards

Kyle Pierce:

and stuff it but things have improved, I guess a lot for

Kyle Pierce:

people who are operating outside of convention, right? Yeah.

Kyle Pierce:

Doesn't make it easy. It just means that there are communities

Kyle Pierce:

where it were, your voice can be heard, tend to be what I think

Kyle Pierce:

about like with dignity a lot is the ruling planet being kind of

Kyle Pierce:

the expectation that the planet is being held to some degree,

Kyle Pierce:

whether internally or externally.

Tristan Paylor:

I think a conversation about dignity might

Tristan Paylor:

be a good segue into our next question.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, yeah.

Tristan Paylor:

Our second question comes from Karolina who

Tristan Paylor:

is a Karolina I'm realizing I don't know how to pronounce your

Tristan Paylor:

name. I'm very sorry.

Kyle Pierce:

Karolina Karolina same had

Tristan Paylor:

him for now. Yeah, let's let's go with that

Tristan Paylor:

and I apologize if that is incorrect. So Karolina wants to

Tristan Paylor:

know, if she is doomed with so many fallen or debilitated

Tristan Paylor:

planets and squares in her chart. She also wants to know

Tristan Paylor:

how one should react to challenging aspects like squares

Tristan Paylor:

and opposition's or difficult dignities and also how this

Tristan Paylor:

relates to one's karma. Good question. And I've got

Tristan Paylor:

Carolina's chart is in the show notes, if anyone wants to follow

Tristan Paylor:

along with our interpretation and everything? Well,

Kyle Pierce:

um, start off the answer is no. And, yeah, next

Kyle Pierce:

question.

Tristan Paylor:

The answer is you're, you're most certainly

Tristan Paylor:

not doomed. I think I can speak for both Kyle and I, in saying

Tristan Paylor:

that we do not belong to a school of thought that one's

Tristan Paylor:

birth chart dictates their destiny. Or that, you know,

Tristan Paylor:

traditionally difficult placements in a birth chart

Tristan Paylor:

indicate any sort of doom and gloom, they can manifest in all

Tristan Paylor:

kinds of ways. And sometimes they just manifest in really

Tristan Paylor:

quirky, weird ways that, you know, are not necessarily, you

Tristan Paylor:

know, evil, or, you know, anything sort of scary like

Tristan Paylor:

that.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah. One, I mean, sometimes they, they do describe

Kyle Pierce:

difficult situations or experiences, but, you know, we

Kyle Pierce:

also have a lot of agency and how we respond to that, and I

Kyle Pierce:

guess, my thoughts get drawn to the second part of the question,

Kyle Pierce:

which is like, how to respond to your difficult placements in the

Kyle Pierce:

chart when you see them. And that's mainly, I mean, I guess,

Kyle Pierce:

it's good to get a sense of like, what the traditional

Kyle Pierce:

interpretations are what, you know, maybe two, astrologers

Kyle Pierce:

have to say about it. But I find it personally, like valuable to,

Kyle Pierce:

you know, they are difficult placements, like how they might

Kyle Pierce:

have already played out in your life, and often indicate just

Kyle Pierce:

stuff that maybe already happened, or maybe not even

Kyle Pierce:

stuff that happened, just the way you feel about certain

Kyle Pierce:

things. And, um, sort of like a degree of maybe even like,

Kyle Pierce:

accepting that, like, okay, that that happened, this or that

Kyle Pierce:

happened. But in many cases, you know, you might already be doing

Kyle Pierce:

things that like, manage that, you know, or you may already be

Kyle Pierce:

working with that in a much more constructive way. Like myself

Kyle Pierce:

seeing some of my more difficult placements and accepting the

Kyle Pierce:

negative ways that maybe they have played out, um, sort of

Kyle Pierce:

like a good ended up being like constructive in the sense of

Kyle Pierce:

like, okay, I see, you know, that happened, all right. I

Kyle Pierce:

can't change you know, what's already happened, but I can

Kyle Pierce:

maybe change or maybe already have changed in many ways, how I

Kyle Pierce:

react to it, or how I you know, I'm already or can in the

Kyle Pierce:

future. Work with that like a more constructive way or a more

Kyle Pierce:

positive way and often even just like a difficult placement can

Kyle Pierce:

describe a lot of different things and not all of them are

Kyle Pierce:

difficult, you know?

Tristan Paylor:

And some some things that are challenging or

Tristan Paylor:

or difficult are enjoyable, you know, depending on your

Tristan Paylor:

temperament. And, you know, looking at curliness chart here,

Tristan Paylor:

I see that the sun is in areas. So, you know, and Mars is

Tristan Paylor:

conjunct the ascendant in the first house, and, you know,

Tristan Paylor:

those are indications of being someone who doesn't necessarily

Tristan Paylor:

shy away from challenge. So, you know, not everybody wants the

Tristan Paylor:

kind of life where everything just goes smoothly, and they're

Tristan Paylor:

never challenged. Like, that's very boring. You know, sometimes

Tristan Paylor:

being unsatisfied in a subject of study or at a job or in a

Tristan Paylor:

relationship can be because it's too boring, there's just there's

Tristan Paylor:

nothing about it, that kind of forces you to change or grow in

Tristan Paylor:

any way. And, you know, people have different temperaments

Tristan Paylor:

where that is concerned. Some people would prefer life to be a

Tristan Paylor:

little bit of an adventure. And so, you know, difficult or

Tristan Paylor:

challenging situations, you know, depending on the kind of

Tristan Paylor:

situations you're talking about, and what sort of temperament you

Tristan Paylor:

have are not necessarily bad. I also think when, because you,

Tristan Paylor:

Karolina mentioned, as well, you know, starting to study a little

Tristan Paylor:

bit more Hellenistic astrology. And one thing that Chris

Tristan Paylor:

Brennan, who I learned Hellenistic astrology from says,

Tristan Paylor:

quite a lot, I think, you know, he repeats on the astrology

Tristan Paylor:

podcast fairly often. And I'm glad he repeats it is, you know,

Tristan Paylor:

the delineations that you read in traditional texts for

Tristan Paylor:

placements are going to be very extreme. Because when you're

Tristan Paylor:

trying to teach somebody, the nature of these symbols, it's

Tristan Paylor:

more extreme situations are more memorable. And, and tell you

Tristan Paylor:

more about sort of, like, where are what are these symbols

Tristan Paylor:

about? And where are their limits? For most people, you

Tristan Paylor:

know, that placement is not going to manifest as the worst

Tristan Paylor:

case scenario. But you know, the best case scenario or the worst

Tristan Paylor:

case scenario, those are really valuable teaching tools. It's

Tristan Paylor:

like, you know, using case studies, right, like using

Tristan Paylor:

remarkable case studies, to learn about people or

Tristan Paylor:

situations, those case studies don't necessarily generalize

Tristan Paylor:

well, to the whole population. But nonetheless, they they do

Tristan Paylor:

still teach you a lot about certain things by showing you

Tristan Paylor:

really unusual or extreme circumstances. Yeah. And I think

Tristan Paylor:

that's, you know, something to keep in mind when you're reading

Tristan Paylor:

those traditional interpretations is that of

Tristan Paylor:

course, they're extreme, because that's what you're going to

Tristan Paylor:

remember. And that's what's going to help you learn. But

Tristan Paylor:

most of the time, that's not actually you know, realistically

Tristan Paylor:

what goes on in the average person's life.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, absolutely. True. Do you mind if I just

Kyle Pierce:

described the chart a little bit for listeners? Yeah, go for it

Kyle Pierce:

and get a sense of what's going on. Because it's actually funny

Kyle Pierce:

that I'm here Lena and jet were born within two months of each

Kyle Pierce:

other. But be within Yeah, think too much of each other actually.

Kyle Pierce:

Very similar charts and there's a similar Grand Cross going on

Kyle Pierce:

in Carolyn's chart, so

Tristan Paylor:

in the angular houses and no

Kyle Pierce:

less, so you guys should be friends.

Tristan Paylor:

Yes, become friends.

Kyle Pierce:

Also, Karolina was born with cancer rising with

Kyle Pierce:

Mars conjunct the ascendant. 20 degrees in cancer and the sun in

Kyle Pierce:

Aries in the 10th house, and the Moon in Libra in the fourth

Kyle Pierce:

house. Jupiter is also in the fourth house in Libra. Venus is

Kyle Pierce:

in Aries in in Libra, and I'm

Tristan Paylor:

sorry Venus is in

Kyle Pierce:

because it's an Aries and Libra

Tristan Paylor:

in Aries in the 10th house

Kyle Pierce:

Aries in the 10th house. Yes. And Mars is opposing

Kyle Pierce:

Neptune and Uranus in Capricorn in the seventh. Mercury is in

Kyle Pierce:

Pisces in the ninth house and Saturn is in Aquarius in the

Kyle Pierce:

eighth house. So happy Saturn Return Karolina

Tristan Paylor:

oh yeah happy Saturn Return jet and Karolina

Tristan Paylor:

very excited. Yeah,

Kyle Pierce:

yeah, just getting the basis of the chart so

Kyle Pierce:

similar themes going on, but I'm kinda going back to what you

Kyle Pierce:

were saying about getting into Hellenistic astrology is like

Kyle Pierce:

yeah, the initial reaction to like the interpretations and

Kyle Pierce:

everything. They are very extreme. But I guess also thing

Kyle Pierce:

to keep in mind And the deeper you get into it, there's like a

Kyle Pierce:

lot of other factors always at play to consider as well.

Tristan Paylor:

And there are a lot of mitigating factors in

Tristan Paylor:

this chart as well. Even though you know, you do have a bunch of

Tristan Paylor:

planets that are not traditionally dignified like

Tristan Paylor:

Mercury's in Pisces, Venus is an Aries. Mars is in cancer right

Tristan Paylor:

on the ascendant. So those three planets, you know, all stand out

Tristan Paylor:

as being, you know, in signs that are a little awkward for

Tristan Paylor:

them. And also, you know, being pretty visible, you know, Venus

Tristan Paylor:

is up in the 10th. And Mars is extremely Angular right on the

Tristan Paylor:

ascendant. So, you know, they're very prominent planets in the

Tristan Paylor:

chart as well.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah. Why now, that is the first thing when we see a

Kyle Pierce:

planet like right on the ascendant, your eye kind of

Kyle Pierce:

immediately gets drawn to that. And first thing I thought even

Kyle Pierce:

just seeing that was mirrored with like Michael Phelps, a

Kyle Pierce:

Olympic, if he does it professionally anymore, but he

Kyle Pierce:

was a big Olympic swimmer to Mars and cancer swimming, like,

Kyle Pierce:

actually, I would say, is great remediation for Mars and cancer,

Kyle Pierce:

if you ever want to take up swimming, or maybe you do

Kyle Pierce:

already. But Michael Phelps actually did an interesting

Kyle Pierce:

documentary not that long ago about that's been a while since

Kyle Pierce:

I've watched it, but it was about, like, the unhealthy

Kyle Pierce:

patterns that athletes get into, like the obsession to win. And,

Kyle Pierce:

you know, particularly like I think, was about Olympic

Kyle Pierce:

athletes, and how they would spend four years training for

Kyle Pierce:

the Olympics. And then you know, whether they won or not, you

Kyle Pierce:

know, the end of the day after that, they almost almost say

Kyle Pierce:

universally, but a majority of them fell into like, huge deep

Kyle Pierce:

depressions. And it's kind of like a huge come down, and then

Kyle Pierce:

having to figure out like what to do with your life after,

Kyle Pierce:

after that, but I just thought that was an interesting

Kyle Pierce:

manifestation of that for like a fallen Mars and in the first

Kyle Pierce:

house for like an athlete who ends up succeeding quite

Kyle Pierce:

prominently as an athlete, champion swimmer. But then kind

Kyle Pierce:

of challenging the culture around athleticism, and kind of

Kyle Pierce:

like exploring the drawbacks and dark side of the way that

Kyle Pierce:

athletes themselves approach athletics in the way we expect

Kyle Pierce:

from athletes.

Tristan Paylor:

Mm hmm. Yeah, and I think, you know, looking

Tristan Paylor:

at planets in fall, you know, there's that symbolism of sort

Tristan Paylor:

of falling from a high place or a high point. And you know,

Tristan Paylor:

sometimes you have to start out or get to the high place first

Tristan Paylor:

in order to have that experience of falling. And I think, you

Tristan Paylor:

know, you and I have discussed this more and more recently, how

Tristan Paylor:

exultation and fall really, you know, it is an axis and I think

Tristan Paylor:

when you have a planet, either an exultation or fall in your

Tristan Paylor:

chart anywhere, it draws attention, not only to that

Tristan Paylor:

planet, but to the whole axis it's on and just the whole

Tristan Paylor:

nature of what is it to be sort of elevated, and what is it to

Tristan Paylor:

be brought low, and that experience or sort of a deeper

Tristan Paylor:

understanding of that dynamic, and how it plays out in human

Tristan Paylor:

culture, I think is part of that it doesn't mean that like, you

Tristan Paylor:

know, if a planet is in fall, that it's always you know,

Tristan Paylor:

somewhere, you know, in the ditch, like, it's, it's a planet

Tristan Paylor:

that maybe through its experiences, has a recognition

Tristan Paylor:

of the extremes between, you know, being high up on a throne

Tristan Paylor:

versus being in the ditch, and, you know, somebody like a

Tristan Paylor:

professional athlete, you know, is a good example of that, were,

Tristan Paylor:

being a professional athlete sort of forces you to extremes

Tristan Paylor:

in your pursuit of your goal. And yet, your goals are

Tristan Paylor:

necessarily limited by human physiology. And at some point,

Tristan Paylor:

you're not going to be able to compete at that level anymore.

Tristan Paylor:

And you're gonna have to come to terms with that and find a way

Tristan Paylor:

to, you know, build your identity around you know, and a

Tristan Paylor:

new way of living you know, if your whole identity was kind of

Tristan Paylor:

built around, being the best athlete in the world that's not

Tristan Paylor:

sustainable. So, you know, how do you still have like a

Tristan Paylor:

positive self concept when you're no longer able to compete

Tristan Paylor:

at the level you once were?

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah. We have been talking a lot about that lately.

Kyle Pierce:

And since the last episode, my Mars research on the UFC

Kyle Pierce:

fighters got like way deeper. But this is making me think

Kyle Pierce:

about that. I'm still working on writing the article. I can

Kyle Pierce:

barely talk. So you know, imagine how long it takes me to

Kyle Pierce:

write things. The but Mars and cancer and Mars and Capricorn

Kyle Pierce:

are like the two most common Mars signs of the UFC fighters

Kyle Pierce:

think Mars and cancer did end up. Think of a second I think

Kyle Pierce:

there's one less Mars in Cancer than one ours in Capricorn, but

Kyle Pierce:

But yeah, pretty much highlights that access, the fall,

Kyle Pierce:

exultation access. And I think that like planets and fall and

Kyle Pierce:

planets and exultation can kind of both end up in the same

Kyle Pierce:

places, you know either starting from I believe and going to

Kyle Pierce:

localize or going to a place from a high place or back and

Kyle Pierce:

forth and between or just understanding all the dynamics

Kyle Pierce:

of that, you know, so, I mean, I wouldn't get too down on on

Kyle Pierce:

balls, and actually, it's why it's taking me so long to write

Kyle Pierce:

because I feel like I grok something internally about about

Kyle Pierce:

falls that I want to express, but it's really hard, hard to

Kyle Pierce:

express or put in a way that I want to, but you know, you're in

Kyle Pierce:

good company. I am a, you know, a cancer rising and my first

Kyle Pierce:

house is ruled by a fallen Moon in Scorpio. Right? So I actually

Kyle Pierce:

had similar reactions to you, when I started getting into

Kyle Pierce:

Hellenistic astrology that I had that very same question of, Am I

Kyle Pierce:

doomed? You know, because of this, this fallen planet? But

Kyle Pierce:

just from talking to clients and talking to people about the

Kyle Pierce:

charts and getting deeper into astrology, yeah, very

Kyle Pierce:

definitively, now.

Tristan Paylor:

Yeah, I think planets and fall can be also

Tristan Paylor:

about, you know, climbing your way out of a fallen place. Or

Tristan Paylor:

can be, you know, starting in a place, which, I mean, I relate

Tristan Paylor:

to that kind of narrative as somebody who also has the Moon

Tristan Paylor:

in Scorpio ruling my ascendant with a day chart, so we both got

Tristan Paylor:

an out of sect, fallen planet, or ascendant.

Kyle Pierce:

I'm fascinated by like Mars and cancer, because

Kyle Pierce:

yeah, like the complementary other, other half or whatever.

Tristan Paylor:

Yeah, I'm obsessed with Mars and cancers.

Tristan Paylor:

It's like our mutual reception.

Kyle Pierce:

I know a ton of them a bunch of my family. And

Kyle Pierce:

yeah, I mean, I think that the finding a way out of a difficult

Kyle Pierce:

situation or, but also, like fall fallen plants is that I was

Kyle Pierce:

at an improv show not that long ago. And it occurred to me that

Kyle Pierce:

who, you know, who tends to get into something like improv, it's

Kyle Pierce:

usually people who are naturally inclined towards comedy, or

Kyle Pierce:

being on a stage or something like improv, but often a lot of

Kyle Pierce:

my partner is taking improv classes, a lot of them are

Kyle Pierce:

people who have who actually really, really struggle in those

Kyle Pierce:

areas. And they take those classes to, to, you know, get

Kyle Pierce:

better at socializing and feeling more comfortable in

Kyle Pierce:

their own skin or just saying what's on their mind. And often,

Kyle Pierce:

it's those people who kind of have to build, say, planetary

Kyle Pierce:

nature of some kind, but kind of like starting from the bottom

Kyle Pierce:

and having to work, like build your way up in a position to

Kyle Pierce:

know more about every detail of how, how to moon, and maybe in

Kyle Pierce:

our case, or how to Mars. In your case. Yeah, I thought a

Kyle Pierce:

Mercury.

Tristan Paylor:

Yeah, I think that's a really, really good

Tristan Paylor:

point that's making me think of when I was younger. I briefly

Tristan Paylor:

took singing lessons. And, you know, I was really hesitant to

Tristan Paylor:

do it at first because I'm not a good singer. And, you know, but

Tristan Paylor:

people around me were making the point that well, that's what

Tristan Paylor:

singing lessons are for, like, you don't start out good. Like,

Tristan Paylor:

you know, people who just start out with a natural talent for

Tristan Paylor:

singing don't, you know, necessarily need singing

Tristan Paylor:

lessons, it's, you know, those of us who don't have an innate

Tristan Paylor:

talent for us, you know, we're kind of starting from the bottom

Tristan Paylor:

and working our way up. And life requires us to challenge

Tristan Paylor:

ourselves in in these ways, we're not, you know, none of us

Tristan Paylor:

are sort of like immortal gods who are just naturally gifted

Tristan Paylor:

with every possible thing we could want or needs to do under

Tristan Paylor:

the sun, like at some point, all of us in life are going to come

Tristan Paylor:

up against a thing that you know, we might innately struggle

Tristan Paylor:

with and going you know, we've got to go to our singing lessons

Tristan Paylor:

in order to to master that thing and it doesn't mean that you

Tristan Paylor:

can't master that thing. You still can you just have to go

Tristan Paylor:

through the process of kind of learning from the ground up in

Tristan Paylor:

order to master it.

Kyle Pierce:

Well, I think that's um, thing with like a

Kyle Pierce:

fall or detriment is that because, you know, you

Kyle Pierce:

experience like the difficulty of that, or like the challenge

Kyle Pierce:

of that planet, your attention is immediately drawn toward

Kyle Pierce:

like, Okay, how do I get better at this? Yeah. And can result in

Kyle Pierce:

people being excessively good at Something though they may have a

Kyle Pierce:

hard time recognizing it can get that with expectations too,

Kyle Pierce:

where the standards are so high internally that they become like

Kyle Pierce:

disillusioned

Tristan Paylor:

as someone with two exalted planets in my chart,

Tristan Paylor:

one of which, you know, as I mentioned is the sun in Aries,

Tristan Paylor:

like like you Karolina, I often find, you know, that manifests a

Tristan Paylor:

little bit more as perfectionism in a way, because it's like, the

Tristan Paylor:

standard I've set for myself, and that area of life is the

Tristan Paylor:

best, I cannot do less than that, which is totally

Tristan Paylor:

unrealistic, right? And have all

Kyle Pierce:

the exalted planets in the world and you're still

Kyle Pierce:

not getting

Tristan Paylor:

perfection? No, no, nobody's nobody's going to

Tristan Paylor:

even if you know, every planet is exalted in their chart. And

Tristan Paylor:

everyone with exalted planets, I think, still has to calibrate

Tristan Paylor:

that you know what that person? That's, that's the thing, like,

Tristan Paylor:

I

Kyle Pierce:

think we're perfect if they did accomplish it, I

Kyle Pierce:

don't

Tristan Paylor:

know, you and you and you wouldn't be able to

Tristan Paylor:

relate? Yeah, you wouldn't be able to relate to themselves.

Tristan Paylor:

So, you know, no one wants people people want to be around

Tristan Paylor:

fallen and debilitated planets, because they can relate, you

Tristan Paylor:

know, it's like, when I when I hear, you know, the

Tristan Paylor:

interpretations of a planet and it's fall or detriment. I'm

Tristan Paylor:

like, I sympathize with this protagonist, you know, and I,

Tristan Paylor:

when I'm reading a client chart, and their ascendant ruler is

Tristan Paylor:

like, a debilitated planet in some way. I'm just like, this is

Tristan Paylor:

the hero I root for in a story. This is I'm invested in the

Tristan Paylor:

outcome of this protagonist story. And, you know, there's an

Tristan Paylor:

arc to every story too, right. So if you know you're starting

Tristan Paylor:

from that fallen, or exiled position, you know, in a

Tristan Paylor:

narrative format, your arc is going to take you away from that

Tristan Paylor:

position, because you always end up somewhere different than

Tristan Paylor:

where you started. Yeah. I think Mercury in pisces really

Tristan Paylor:

interests me because I think it's a really good from my

Tristan Paylor:

personal experience is a really good example of what you were

Tristan Paylor:

just talking about Kyle with, you know, the way that

Tristan Paylor:

debilitated planets tend to draw a lot of attention and a lot of

Tristan Paylor:

energy, because they're noticeable, right? Like they

Tristan Paylor:

stand out. And so they demand a lot of energy and care. And

Tristan Paylor:

mercury, and Pisces is a mercury that I meet a lot. Both when I

Tristan Paylor:

look up charts of, you know, public figures I'm interested in

Tristan Paylor:

and in my personal life and the people I encounter and I have

Tristan Paylor:

yet to meet, a encounter a mercury and Pisces person who's

Tristan Paylor:

like, the traditional just like, you know, tripping over their

Tristan Paylor:

words, and just like can't Mercury like most of the mercury

Tristan Paylor:

and Pisces, people I've encountered are very eloquent

Tristan Paylor:

and often very talented writers and very creative thinkers, and

Tristan Paylor:

very good speakers. And, you know, often there is like, a

Tristan Paylor:

part of their story where, you know, they felt discouraged at

Tristan Paylor:

some point or the, you know, the way they learn or think is

Tristan Paylor:

somehow different, or like unconventional or unusual. And

Tristan Paylor:

so there were certain obstacles that they encountered, because

Tristan Paylor:

of the ways in which they're thinking or speaking or learning

Tristan Paylor:

style were unusual. But, you know, it's like, so many of the

Tristan Paylor:

best writers and public speakers have Mercury in pisces, it's

Tristan Paylor:

just like, all that attention, and work being poured into a

Tristan Paylor:

particular area of life does potentially lead to mastery,

Tristan Paylor:

even if it's challenging on on the way. You know, I can think

Tristan Paylor:

of somebody I know with mercury and Pisces, you know, who's, who

Tristan Paylor:

often feels like, they're not a great speaker, like, that's sort

Tristan Paylor:

of their subjective experience that they're like, I don't

Tristan Paylor:

really feel like I communicate well, but everyone else around

Tristan Paylor:

them, it's like you're one of the best communicators. I know.

Tristan Paylor:

So yeah, that can be another manifestation of these

Tristan Paylor:

placements to where it's like, you're not actually bad at

Tristan Paylor:

something, but you know, maybe you're holding yourself to an

Tristan Paylor:

unrealistic standard, or you had an experience in your life,

Tristan Paylor:

which may be totally real invalid, that made you feel

Tristan Paylor:

inadequate, even though you're not actually be, you know, maybe

Tristan Paylor:

some somebody, you know, said the wrong thing, or you were,

Tristan Paylor:

you know, in a context where, you know, the way that you

Tristan Paylor:

happen to think was just not the mainstream and so you've

Tristan Paylor:

developed a sort of belief about yourself that you're inadequate,

Tristan Paylor:

even though it's not true.

Kyle Pierce:

Yet, that's a great point because, um, the more I

Kyle Pierce:

talk to people about their charts, that that ends up being

Kyle Pierce:

it's maybe your experience of that planet that is maybe

Kyle Pierce:

informed by what could have been just like a one time incident

Kyle Pierce:

early on, when it was very formative, that you know, like

Kyle Pierce:

Mercury in pisces, like you weren't heard or weren't

Kyle Pierce:

listened to, or people didn't want to pay attention to you or

Kyle Pierce:

or that you weren't good at talking, or maybe you did

Kyle Pierce:

struggle with, with speaking in some way. Like you're saying,

Kyle Pierce:

you're gonna put a lot of energy in finding a way to either

Kyle Pierce:

improve that or find an alternative way of expressing

Kyle Pierce:

it. A lot of writers, you know, maybe they struggle with

Kyle Pierce:

intrapersonal talking or interpersonal communication

Kyle Pierce:

sometimes, and they maybe go to writing where they can, like,

Kyle Pierce:

take their time to craft their sentences in a way that they

Kyle Pierce:

can't, you know, when they're, in the moment, you know,

Kyle Pierce:

speaking to somebody in front of them. So just difficulty place

Kyle Pierce:

planet, it's like having to master a dichotomy of some kind,

Kyle Pierce:

or find a way to integrate, you know, two seemingly disparate

Kyle Pierce:

principles. Find a solution to something and think that that is

Kyle Pierce:

what you know, ends up resulting a lot of like, creative

Kyle Pierce:

solutions.

Tristan Paylor:

Oh, yeah, like creativity is, is my number one

Tristan Paylor:

key word for planets and fallen detriment. And the more of them

Tristan Paylor:

you have, you know, the greater the creative potential in the

Tristan Paylor:

chart, because, you know, creativity comes from, you know,

Tristan Paylor:

having to come up with novel solutions to problems. Yeah.

Tristan Paylor:

And, you know, having to work in environments where, you know,

Tristan Paylor:

the usual ways of doing things don't work. I think with with

Tristan Paylor:

planets in fall and detriment as well, they can symbolize

Tristan Paylor:

difficulty finding the right context to be expressed in now,

Tristan Paylor:

I've been, you know, thinking about Mars and cancer, right on

Tristan Paylor:

the ascendant there. And how, you know, Mars in particular,

Tristan Paylor:

is, as a planet, regardless of what sign it's in. Its energy

Tristan Paylor:

isn't appropriate. In every circumstance, it's a really good

Tristan Paylor:

example of a planet that is just not always the appropriate

Tristan Paylor:

response. So you know, I think of Mars in detriment or fall,

Tristan Paylor:

and I reminded of that moment in The Simpsons, there's that

Tristan Paylor:

episode of The Simpsons where Homer gets a gun. And there's

Tristan Paylor:

that moment where he says, Watch me turn on the TV, and he just

Tristan Paylor:

like, shoots the TV on you, Marie turns off the lights by

Tristan Paylor:

shooting off the light bulbs, and it's just like not now Mars,

Tristan Paylor:

like, this isn't the right context for this sort of

Tristan Paylor:

behavior. There is, you know, possibly a context for this kind

Tristan Paylor:

of behavior, but it is not here. And there aren't a lot of

Tristan Paylor:

contexts where that kind of energy is actually appropriate.

Tristan Paylor:

And I think Mars in fall or detriment might struggle with

Tristan Paylor:

that a little bit where it's like, Mars in Cancer has

Tristan Paylor:

something very valuable to offer. But what it has to offer

Tristan Paylor:

is like maybe a little niche in a way, like it needs to find an

Tristan Paylor:

appropriate venue, where it kind of fits the situation and it may

Tristan Paylor:

be an experience of you know, just having, you know, a

Tristan Paylor:

challenge as far as as finding a place where you know, your

Tristan Paylor:

particular talents fit or service. Or like having to be

Tristan Paylor:

creative. Another another Mars in Cancer image I always have is

Tristan Paylor:

the droid IG 11 in the Mandalorian, who starts off as

Tristan Paylor:

an assassin droid. Oh, I don't want to I don't want to spoil it

Tristan Paylor:

for you. But he starts off as an assassin droid. And at some

Tristan Paylor:

point over the course of the show, he's reprogrammed into a

Tristan Paylor:

nanny droid. So you know, he's still an assassin, like, he's

Tristan Paylor:

still a total badass. But his motives have been changed to you

Tristan Paylor:

know, protecting a baby, instead of, you know, working for, you

Tristan Paylor:

know, whoever was hiring him to do whatever terrible job. So

Tristan Paylor:

it's like that, to me. That's Mars in Cancer, where it's like,

Tristan Paylor:

how does Mars Express Mars? In the context of cancer, that's

Tristan Paylor:

going to be tricky to figure out how to do that in a way that is

Tristan Paylor:

constructive. But it can be done. It just requires a little

Tristan Paylor:

bit of creative thinking to figure out, you know, how do we

Tristan Paylor:

make this work in this context?

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, absolutely. I do want to end up talking about

Kyle Pierce:

like the actually, technically very nice things that are

Kyle Pierce:

happening in your chart.

Tristan Paylor:

Yes, there are a lot of them. Yeah, a lot of nice

Tristan Paylor:

things in this chart.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah. Part of that involves that. You know, Mars

Kyle Pierce:

has a lot of reception with planets in signs that Mars is

Kyle Pierce:

comfortable in. I mean, there's kind of like there's like

Kyle Pierce:

connections to Mars, Mars, having outlets or Mars having

Kyle Pierce:

training or something on Mars having a I like outlets

Kyle Pierce:

actually. And I want to go back into my data but one of my

Kyle Pierce:

favorite UFC fighter charts was was like a Mars in Cancer with

Kyle Pierce:

Mars opposing Uranus in Capricorn, which is science,

Kyle Pierce:

exultation, it was a trine Pluto. And I believe Venus was

Kyle Pierce:

an Aries as well. Just like giving like Mars, like all the

Kyle Pierce:

Mars tools, to kind of like what you were saying, like, it's like

Kyle Pierce:

finding a way to express that, appropriately, is often very

Kyle Pierce:

hard, usually Mars and cancer. Like, the feelings get hurt very

Kyle Pierce:

often, easily. There's a sensitivity there. And Mars is

Kyle Pierce:

not, you know, used to giving a, an F about what other people

Kyle Pierce:

think. And it just wants to do its thing. It's its job done.

Kyle Pierce:

accomplish its mission.

Tristan Paylor:

You know, doing it's not, you know, I don't have

Tristan Paylor:

time to worry about how other people are going to react to

Tristan Paylor:

this. And so, you know, in labor or cancer, those are signs

Tristan Paylor:

where, you know, you have to consider what other people might

Tristan Paylor:

think or what other people might feel before you act. And Mars is

Tristan Paylor:

not, that's not what comes naturally to Mars at all.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah. And so, I mean, the reactions can be

Kyle Pierce:

extreme in different directions, you know, so maybe you'd have

Kyle Pierce:

to, like talk to somebody, you know, with any given placement,

Kyle Pierce:

but particularly, like, more extreme placements like that, to

Kyle Pierce:

see what their particular experiences with it. But, um,

Kyle Pierce:

that's my thought. My thought, you know, I don't have a follow

Kyle Pierce:

on Mercury, but I feel like it is something different was on

Kyle Pierce:

that excess.

Tristan Paylor:

And I guess, you know, that's sometimes the

Tristan Paylor:

advantage there is that if, if Mercury has fallen, you're more

Tristan Paylor:

inclined to want to do something about it.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, I mean, I want to do something about it,

Kyle Pierce:

but it's almost like planets in detriment or in fall. It's like

Kyle Pierce:

they have very obvious sightlines to, to where they do

Kyle Pierce:

well, yeah. No. Oh, I can see the place that that I do. Well,

Kyle Pierce:

it's right there across the golf, you know, and I want to

Kyle Pierce:

traverse that and get there. But when, you know, I make a paragon

Kyle Pierce:

grim planet, maybe worse, I don't know. Like, just kind of

Kyle Pierce:

like, I just don't, I don't know what the solution is. I don't

Kyle Pierce:

know what the,

Tristan Paylor:

like, I can't see where I'm supposed to be or

Tristan Paylor:

like, Where would be a good place for me to go? Yeah, no

Tristan Paylor:

idea. I do feel like, you know, to jump into some of the, the

Tristan Paylor:

more traditionally nice things in this chart. Mars is being

Tristan Paylor:

bonafide by Venus. Venus is in Aries in the 10th house. And

Tristan Paylor:

Mars is in cancer in the first so Venus is earlier in zodiacal

Tristan Paylor:

order and squaring Mars, which is a good thing for Mars. And

Tristan Paylor:

they are both sect mates, you know, they're both night

Tristan Paylor:

planets. So you know, it's kind of nice that Mars is getting a

Tristan Paylor:

boost from its sect mate. And of course, Venus is in Aries Mars's

Tristan Paylor:

sign. So they're, you know, there's some some sympathy and

Tristan Paylor:

understanding there. So that is actually like a really cool

Tristan Paylor:

relationship that, you know, potentially softens the harder

Tristan Paylor:

edges of Mars. And because you know, Venus is in Aries, like

Tristan Paylor:

Venus is in Mars is domicile. So you know, Venus in a way can

Tristan Paylor:

kind of, you know, if Mars is missing stuff at home, like man,

Tristan Paylor:

in order to do my job, I really need this thing. But I don't

Tristan Paylor:

have it here because I'm in this weird place in cancer where

Tristan Paylor:

nothing makes sense to me. And Venus is like, well, I've got

Tristan Paylor:

you I can you know, I'm in your house right now. Let me know

Tristan Paylor:

what you need. And Venus will send what Mars Needs, you know,

Tristan Paylor:

to make things work in cancer. So that that aspect really,

Tristan Paylor:

really changes the interpretation of Mars and

Tristan Paylor:

cancer on the ascendant were like, yeah, it's a little

Tristan Paylor:

unusual. It's a little challenging, but Mars is

Tristan Paylor:

getting, you know, really valuable support from back at

Tristan Paylor:

home.

Kyle Pierce:

I think one thing that I like, and this may seem

Kyle Pierce:

counterintuitive at first, but Venus is retrograde in Carolyn's

Kyle Pierce:

chart and what I actually like about that, is that it I find it

Kyle Pierce:

I think that it increases the affinity between Venus and Mars.

Kyle Pierce:

Not that Venus turns into Mars when it's retrograde. But Venus

Kyle Pierce:

is it's about like champ challenging consensus to some

Kyle Pierce:

degree kind of going against consensus for the sake of

Kyle Pierce:

creating better you know, more unity and a sense of so like,

Kyle Pierce:

it's a much more going against the grain sort of Venus. I like

Kyle Pierce:

to think of like people with like, very offbeat, eccentric

Kyle Pierce:

fashion style. Think I've seen Venus retrograde is in fashion

Kyle Pierce:

designers. But as opposed to like unifying and like blending

Kyle Pierce:

in and being the same as everyone else, Venus retrograde

Kyle Pierce:

just like like wants to create new different using the fashion

Kyle Pierce:

analogy, like a new fashion new style, you know, that challenges

Kyle Pierce:

and goes against what has already existed. Venus is often

Kyle Pierce:

potentially very creative

Tristan Paylor:

when it's retrograde. I really like that,

Kyle Pierce:

such as trying to create peace and harmony and you

Kyle Pierce:

know, make things fit nicely together. It's like, let's,

Kyle Pierce:

let's try that, you know, that leopard skin? That leopard print

Kyle Pierce:

jacket with the my tie dye leggings. See how that goes? Oh,

Kyle Pierce:

you don't like it? Well, I like it. And in 10 years, it's gonna

Kyle Pierce:

be what's cool. It's gonna be what's in because I'm concerned.

Kyle Pierce:

So

Tristan Paylor:

I love the idea of Venus retrograde connecting

Tristan Paylor:

with fashion design, because a big part of fashion is recycling

Tristan Paylor:

old fashions like at some point, yeah, whatever was cool a few

Tristan Paylor:

decades later becomes retro, and like there's a new spin on it.

Tristan Paylor:

And that is now what is cool. So I feel like there's a little bit

Tristan Paylor:

of that reaching back into the past to come up with something

Tristan Paylor:

new. That Venus retrograde in Aries might you know, because

Tristan Paylor:

Venus in a cardinal sign and you know, forward thinking sign like

Tristan Paylor:

Aries is going to want to do something that's you know, never

Tristan Paylor:

been seen before set a trend or whatever and a retrograde is

Tristan Paylor:

gonna look back into the past and look at like, Okay, what

Tristan Paylor:

worked in the past what was cool then, and how can I kind of

Tristan Paylor:

remix this for the present era?

Kyle Pierce:

Again, Venus has that sorry.

Tristan Paylor:

Oh, just you got me thinking about, you know,

Tristan Paylor:

Venus's sort of primary function is to unify and create peace.

Tristan Paylor:

And I actually gave a sermon about this subject once. You

Tristan Paylor:

know, I used to I used to do a little bit of work in church

Tristan Paylor:

ministry and a past life you know, before I became a heathen

Tristan Paylor:

to heretic whatever, I

Kyle Pierce:

would love to hear you give a sermon epic we should

Kyle Pierce:

have a segment of the show where interesting gives a sermon,

Kyle Pierce:

astrology sermon.

Tristan Paylor:

Oh, maybe that's I mean, I think astrology has

Tristan Paylor:

become sort of that outlet for me. Because you know, I'm not

Tristan Paylor:

I'm no longer Christian and no longer involved in the church.

Tristan Paylor:

But a lot of the work I did for the church was very fulfilling

Tristan Paylor:

and so astrology lets me kind of do some of that

Kyle Pierce:

stuff is gonna change the way I listen to you.

Tristan Paylor:

Be like, listening to the preacher.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, I'm gonna, nobody will be able to see me

Kyle Pierce:

but just gonna have my hands raised. My eyes closed. Me

Kyle Pierce:

looking up at the sky. Interesting talk because

Kyle Pierce:

Christian is connecting me with the Lord.

Tristan Paylor:

Now I'm now in connecting people with the

Tristan Paylor:

stars, I guess in an animistic sense instead of it's you know,

Tristan Paylor:

I relevant to me. Yeah. So I gave are actually up there. They

Tristan Paylor:

I know you can actually see them. It's nice. It's yeah, it's

Tristan Paylor:

like that George Carlin bit about sun worship, you know, you

Tristan Paylor:

can actually see the sun. Yeah, actually, like, you can

Tristan Paylor:

literally prove that it, you know, allows life on Earth. So

Tristan Paylor:

it makes sense to worship. Sorry, I don't I don't want to

Tristan Paylor:

offend any listeners of various religious persuasions. But it's

Tristan Paylor:

I know it's true if you if the trouble right with religion is

Tristan Paylor:

that whatever your position is, it contradicts somebody else's

Tristan Paylor:

position. And so then what do you do? Anyway, I

Kyle Pierce:

gave make fun of it as much as I do.

Tristan Paylor:

I, you know, and I still like I actually had a

Tristan Paylor:

really good time with the church, I was involved in really

Tristan Paylor:

progressive, rebellious in a good way kinds of churches. So

Tristan Paylor:

you know, I still really appreciate that time. But

Tristan Paylor:

anyway, I gave a sermon about that. There's a famous passage

Tristan Paylor:

in the Gospels. That, you know, is very controversial, where

Tristan Paylor:

Jesus says, Do you think I came on I came to earth, to create

Tristan Paylor:

peace, I didn't come to bring peace but a sword. Essentially,

Tristan Paylor:

like I've come to bring strife and I gave a whole sermon about

Tristan Paylor:

the concept of, of peace and how there is a difference between

Tristan Paylor:

there's sort of two different kinds of peace. You know,

Tristan Paylor:

there's the peace that comes as the result of ignoring our

Tristan Paylor:

problems and ignoring injustices and just refusing to rock the

Tristan Paylor:

boat. You know, when you know something is wrong. You just

Tristan Paylor:

don't you just tow the party line, you don't do anything

Tristan Paylor:

about it, and the kind of peace that comes from actually having

Tristan Paylor:

justice and, you know, in order to get that Peace, you actually

Tristan Paylor:

have to create a disturbance first. And the example that I

Tristan Paylor:

used in my sermon was, so I'm also a big hockey fan. And

Tristan Paylor:

several years ago, Braden Holtby. One, the Stanley Cup

Tristan Paylor:

with the Washington Capitals. And Trump was president at the

Tristan Paylor:

time. And it is a tradition for Stanley Cup winning hockey teams

Tristan Paylor:

to visit the White House and visit the president. And Braden

Tristan Paylor:

Holtby was the goalie for the Washington Capitals, and he

Tristan Paylor:

refused to go. And this was a big deal, because most of the

Tristan Paylor:

teams still went, a couple of players on the team refused to

Tristan Paylor:

go because they were like, I don't, you know, I don't want to

Tristan Paylor:

go down in history being seen, you know, photographed with

Tristan Paylor:

Donald Trump who's responsible for all these horrible things.

Tristan Paylor:

But like, hockey culture is very conservative, not just like, in

Tristan Paylor:

a political sense, but in the sense that like, team, the team

Tristan Paylor:

comes first before the individual. And it's all about

Tristan Paylor:

sort of like conserving the tradition, and not rocking the

Tristan Paylor:

boat and not deviating from your team, like being you know, too

Tristan Paylor:

much of an individual celebrity is also kind of discouraged, or

Tristan Paylor:

like showing too much personality, because it's taking

Tristan Paylor:

attention away from the team and putting it on an individual. So

Tristan Paylor:

it's like a really, you know, he's breaking away from this

Tristan Paylor:

very sort of unified, you know, I feel like this is sort of the

Tristan Paylor:

shadow side of Venus, where it's like, in order for this team to

Tristan Paylor:

remain cohesive, and everyone to get along, and like each other,

Tristan Paylor:

you know, we can't do anything divisive. And he made a decision

Tristan Paylor:

to stand by his principles, and do something divisive. And you

Tristan Paylor:

know, and ultimately, the team ended up supporting him and

Tristan Paylor:

everything was fine, but I feel like that's, that's sort of the

Tristan Paylor:

meaning of, of Venus. And Aries, to me is like, in order to get

Tristan Paylor:

to peace, we need to actually sometimes deviate from the group

Tristan Paylor:

mentality, we sometimes have to do or say things that are not

Tristan Paylor:

nice that ruffle feathers. And that like supportive

Tristan Paylor:

relationship between this retrograde Venus in Aries and

Tristan Paylor:

Mars in Cancer, I think really illustrates that kind of, you

Tristan Paylor:

know, understanding of the world, you know, and the

Tristan Paylor:

willingness to actually say, like I am, I am going to do

Tristan Paylor:

something that, you know, especially since Venus is right

Tristan Paylor:

up there in the 10th house, you know, pretty visible I mean, is

Tristan Paylor:

it under the beams or it's sort of on the border line there? I

Tristan Paylor:

think it's still pretty visible.

Kyle Pierce:

Mammals don't have that, though. Exalted. Yes. It's

Kyle Pierce:

like, Venus maybe can't be seen it by itself. Like it has to be

Kyle Pierce:

like plants under the beams to some degree, it's like the sun

Kyle Pierce:

sort of takes over, or they like they have to express themselves

Kyle Pierce:

through the sun.

Tristan Paylor:

Yeah, but that's not the worst sign you could

Tristan Paylor:

express yourself through great sun. I mean, it's a heroic Sun

Tristan Paylor:

too. So it is kind of like being willing to take a risk, you

Tristan Paylor:

know, in order to do what is right, being willing to take a

Tristan Paylor:

risk for the sake of the things that Venus stands for, which is,

Tristan Paylor:

you know, a world in which people enjoy peace and harmony

Tristan Paylor:

and, you know, enjoy things that are fun and pleasurable, and,

Tristan Paylor:

you know, have the leisure time and we can't have something

Tristan Paylor:

that's unpopular. Yeah. We can't have any of those things without

Tristan Paylor:

actual justice, you know,

Kyle Pierce:

ya know, retrograde means makes you think of

Kyle Pierce:

specifically what your chart currently on this makes me think

Kyle Pierce:

of like the tyranny of the majority, which democracies run

Kyle Pierce:

into, right when, you know, we may all agree on a law. But that

Kyle Pierce:

law is not just that laws broken or that law is actually creating

Kyle Pierce:

strife and conflict. Think like Venus retrograde is, you know,

Kyle Pierce:

that's when Venus retrograde steps in is like now, this is a

Kyle Pierce:

this may be popular, but this is not good. This is not. This is

Kyle Pierce:

actually creating more strife and disharmony. Yeah. And I feel

Kyle Pierce:

like that combination, Mars and cancer. Be like that's the

Kyle Pierce:

important part of your life is maybe having to advocate for or

Kyle Pierce:

say the unpopular thing. For the sake of sick of being, you know,

Kyle Pierce:

right. Right.

Tristan Paylor:

But the secret lair prodution Yeah, yeah,

Tristan Paylor:

Phoenician principles, which are all like now Things You know,

Tristan Paylor:

like Venus wants nice things.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah. I think it's Venus like makes Mars a lot more

Kyle Pierce:

well intentioned overall, you know, not that can't Yeah, by

Kyle Pierce:

itself. But yeah, I in that. I mean, that can be a very

Kyle Pierce:

uncomfortable position to be in, though to Yes. To be, you know,

Kyle Pierce:

sing the things that other people don't want to hear.

Tristan Paylor:

But you know, you do have that exalted sun in

Tristan Paylor:

the 10th. And you also have that opposition from Jupiter to help

Tristan Paylor:

perhaps smooth that over and you know, make the things that you

Tristan Paylor:

want to say. More resonant? Yeah, it's a very I that caught

Tristan Paylor:

my eye immediately. So I was like, Okay, well, Venus is in

Tristan Paylor:

detriment here but also has reception with Jupiter, which is

Tristan Paylor:

in Venus's sign of Libra. So Venus and Jupiter have an

Tristan Paylor:

understanding and Jupiter is able much like, you know, Venus

Tristan Paylor:

is kind of able to send Mars things from home that Mars might

Tristan Paylor:

need. Jupiter is in a similar position here where Jupiter is,

Tristan Paylor:

you know, in Venus's house, and Jupiter's nature is to want to

Tristan Paylor:

help and I think the nature of an opposition with genetics

Tristan Paylor:

involved is actually stabilizing, because the

Tristan Paylor:

opposition is the aspect of Saturn and so it has a sort of,

Tristan Paylor:

you know, stuckness or rigidity to it, it tends to slow things

Tristan Paylor:

down. But when you're talking about benefics you know, I think

Tristan Paylor:

that's, that's a more pleasant potential manifestation of that

Tristan Paylor:

kind of like, slow steady energy. It's been, you know, my

Tristan Paylor:

experience with I have Jupiter very loosely opposing my Moon in

Tristan Paylor:

Scorpio. And I sometimes feel like that's my saving grace, you

Tristan Paylor:

know, or like, my Moon in Scorpio tends to go to extremes

Tristan Paylor:

but there's, you know, sweet, gentle Jupiter and Taurus just

Tristan Paylor:

sort of, like, take a moment. And, you know, offers that kind

Tristan Paylor:

of, you know, like that, that strong, steady hand on your

Tristan Paylor:

shoulder that kind of studies you and allows you to center

Tristan Paylor:

yourself before you react. I think you know, Jupiter can

Tristan Paylor:

offer some of that to Venus, and also Jupiter happens to be in

Tristan Paylor:

the sign of Libra, which is all about justice. So you know,

Tristan Paylor:

maybe some of that symbolism is being repeated here. Yeah, of

Tristan Paylor:

you know, being being good. And, you know, you're talking about

Tristan Paylor:

the law and, you know, laws can be popularly agreed on but still

Tristan Paylor:

be unjust or corrupt. And Jupiter is the law. And Jupiter

Tristan Paylor:

in Libra is assessing and judging whether or not laws are

Tristan Paylor:

fair,

Kyle Pierce:

yeah. Yeah, it's like Venus has, you know, has a

Kyle Pierce:

planet in Libra. And it's Jupiter. Jupiter, is a good role

Kyle Pierce:

model, you know, Venus, like, knows that it's by choice so

Kyle Pierce:

much, but it's like Venus knows how to be Venus. If it needs to

Kyle Pierce:

be reimagined, like you're able to be agreeable and all that

Kyle Pierce:

when you when you need to be, but it's maybe not your

Kyle Pierce:

inclination, some degree or maybe not. What you need to do

Kyle Pierce:

to maybe solve that Grand Cross, I could see, like, I don't know

Kyle Pierce:

if I'd be interested in maybe how, to what degree some seems

Kyle Pierce:

like this might have played out for jet as well as, like, I

Kyle Pierce:

don't know, like with a Grand Cross, it's like the, because

Kyle Pierce:

there's so much energy being fed into, into that aspect pattern.

Kyle Pierce:

It's like, you get, like, flow with it to some degree. You have

Kyle Pierce:

to kind of demanding an outlet. I guess, you know, thinking

Kyle Pierce:

about like Mars, like, on the ascendant in the first. And

Kyle Pierce:

because it's like, usually, like the out of sect. malefic is

Kyle Pierce:

something you know, is like, something that you want to like,

Kyle Pierce:

contain or manage or curtail, sort of, like instinctively be

Kyle Pierce:

like, I don't know. speaks to me more as like, I don't know, it's

Kyle Pierce:

like something about difficulties around self

Kyle Pierce:

expression to some degree, like finding courage to be different.

Tristan Paylor:

Yeah, that's a good feeling. It's a good sort

Tristan Paylor:

of key phrase for Mars and cancer in the first house is,

Tristan Paylor:

you know, having the courage to stand out in some way. And I

Tristan Paylor:

don't know it's, it's interesting, you know, as

Tristan Paylor:

somebody with a fallen out of SEC planet ruling, my first I

Tristan Paylor:

remember, you know, back in my online dating days in the

Tristan Paylor:

distant past, there was a match question on OKCupid, the dating

Tristan Paylor:

site, which is, you know, what, would you rather be normal or

Tristan Paylor:

weird? And it always made me pause. Because I am very much

Tristan Paylor:

weird, and I've spent my whole life being told in no uncertain

Tristan Paylor:

terms that that is what I am by everyone around me, but I often

Tristan Paylor:

kind of resent being weird and I often think about how much

Tristan Paylor:

easier my life would be If I didn't stand out, and you know,

Tristan Paylor:

I go through phases of kind of trying to present myself in a

Tristan Paylor:

way that makes me stand out less. And it just, I just can't

Tristan Paylor:

keep it up. And it's frustrating because it's like, I don't I'm

Tristan Paylor:

not trying to get attention by being weird. This isn't some,

Tristan Paylor:

like, you know, narcissistic thing, I just, I just want to be

Tristan Paylor:

myself and be left alone. Like, I don't actually want people

Tristan Paylor:

making comments about me. But, you know, so like, if if I were

Tristan Paylor:

just if I just had more normal tastes and a more normal, more

Tristan Paylor:

normal interests and more, you know, if I did what was expected

Tristan Paylor:

of me, my life would go much smoother and I wouldn't draw

Tristan Paylor:

attention to myself and I'd be able to fly under the radar. But

Tristan Paylor:

for some reason, it's just my nature. Yeah. And I think you

Tristan Paylor:

know, making peace with you know, I'm probably never gonna

Tristan Paylor:

have a quote unquote, normal life is you know, sort of part

Tristan Paylor:

of my journey right now as being at peace with that. And I don't

Tristan Paylor:

know Karolina, if you can relate to that at all. But you know, if

Tristan Paylor:

you can maybe that's maybe that's part of your Mars in

Tristan Paylor:

Cancer on the ascendant journey to is just like being okay,

Tristan Paylor:

with, with being different, and, you know, standing out for who

Tristan Paylor:

you are, and what makes you unique, even if you know, that's

Tristan Paylor:

sometimes challenging or, you know, results in in attention or

Tristan Paylor:

reactions that you'd rather not deal with.

Kyle Pierce:

No, I think, well, it's something that you

Kyle Pierce:

inherently both have. So the sun, exalted in the 10th. But

Kyle Pierce:

just like the sun in the 10th, in general, it's like, they're,

Kyle Pierce:

like, you can't help but like, attract attention. Yeah, it's

Kyle Pierce:

not you know, whether you want it or not, it's kind of like

Kyle Pierce:

they're like a, you're just going to tend to draw more

Kyle Pierce:

attention, I think with some attempt.

Tristan Paylor:

Yeah. And an Aries is just as the sun

Tristan Paylor:

everything sort of the Sun is magnetic, and it's the brightest

Tristan Paylor:

thing there is, everyone is looking at it, everyone's

Tristan Paylor:

revolving around it, you kinda, you kind of can't escape it. Now

Tristan Paylor:

what occurs is the gift and the curse of the Exalted son is just

Tristan Paylor:

like not not being able to kind of go anywhere on notice. It's,

Tristan Paylor:

it's not it's not a stealthy placement.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah. Whether you want to be looked at or not.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, visibility is sort of unavoidable. And yeah, I think

Kyle Pierce:

for you, Kristen, with the moon Scorpio, and for you, Karolina

Kyle Pierce:

with the moon in the fourth house is, you know, there's

Kyle Pierce:

going to be a tendency more towards preferring privacy

Kyle Pierce:

preferring not wanting to have all the attention, I would think

Kyle Pierce:

for you clearly and with, I don't know, being compelled or

Kyle Pierce:

impelled to challenge the status quo, he'd be having to reconcile

Kyle Pierce:

getting attention for it to be accepting the attention. And

Kyle Pierce:

doing it any way is part of the journey.

Tristan Paylor:

Or maybe, you know, finding the spaces where

Tristan Paylor:

where the attention makes sense. Yeah. Where it's received. Well,

Tristan Paylor:

that's another sort of challenge is, you know, finding Where's

Tristan Paylor:

where's the right space for me to shine where, you know, it's

Tristan Paylor:

not making unreasonable demands of me. Yeah. Well, yeah, that

Tristan Paylor:

the Oh, sorry. Go ahead.

Kyle Pierce:

I was just gonna add, part of what's positive,

Kyle Pierce:

though, about just Mars in Cancer is that it's the ruler of

Kyle Pierce:

the 10th. And the fifth, you know, it's being on your

Kyle Pierce:

ascendant. While it does have like, the out of sect, Mars job,

Kyle Pierce:

it's also you know, those are powerful, more positive houses,

Kyle Pierce:

and to have that clarity on your Ascendant is, you know, because

Kyle Pierce:

with a traditionally would be called, like, eminence, you

Kyle Pierce:

know,

Tristan Paylor:

yeah, it's bringing, bringing the

Tristan Paylor:

significations of the fifth and the 10th houses into the first

Tristan Paylor:

house, you know, where they're sort of part of your, your

Tristan Paylor:

identity and where you have a lot of, you know, potential a

Tristan Paylor:

lot of agency over those topics. And they're very visible to

Tristan Paylor:

other people. I mean, I having the fifth house, you know, being

Tristan Paylor:

very visible to people. I mean, that can be fun, you know, maybe

Tristan Paylor:

or maybe you're really fun to hang out with at a party.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, I mean, well, I guess it's not a Come on. I

Kyle Pierce:

don't know you. Like sex appeal do?

Tristan Paylor:

Yeah, this is true that like sort of unusual

Tristan Paylor:

Sex House sucks. Yeah, like unusual sex appeal. The Mars

Tristan Paylor:

maltreating the Moon and Jupiter. meno is, you know, one

Tristan Paylor:

of the more sort of challenging aspects in the chart and part of

Tristan Paylor:

that Grand Cross where Mars in Cancer is overcoming Jupiter,

Tristan Paylor:

and the moon in the fourth house in Libra. And I think maybe that

Tristan Paylor:

is For a repetition of some of the themes of, you know, a bit

Tristan Paylor:

of the tension between the the 10th house and the fourth house,

Tristan Paylor:

potentially, where, you know, the moon, in the fourth house,

Tristan Paylor:

you know, wants privacy and the Moon in Libra wants peace. You

Tristan Paylor:

know, it doesn't, doesn't want to deal with, you know, extreme

Tristan Paylor:

situations or, you know, extreme people or conflict or fighting

Tristan Paylor:

or arguments or any of that kind of stuff, it just wants

Tristan Paylor:

everything to go smoothly and you know, wants to be able to

Tristan Paylor:

relax. And you know, Mars being in this very visible part of the

Tristan Paylor:

chart, maybe, you know, is another illustration of some

Tristan Paylor:

potential tension there between the desire for privacy and the

Tristan Paylor:

desire for, you know, things on a social level to just kind of

Tristan Paylor:

go easily and nicely without disagreements, and then, you

Tristan Paylor:

know, this Mars in the first house that's just like, No, we

Tristan Paylor:

need, we need to, you know, say things that people don't want to

Tristan Paylor:

hear. And you know, we're going to stand out in a really visible

Tristan Paylor:

way. So there's too, you know, and it's like, we were talking

Tristan Paylor:

about the Grand Cross and kind of competing drives or impulses,

Tristan Paylor:

like those are two potential competing impulses in this

Tristan Paylor:

chart, and Mars is going to have a bit of a tendency to get the

Tristan Paylor:

upper hand, but there's also again, reception because the

Tristan Paylor:

moon is in, or Mars is in the moon's sign. So that also like

Tristan Paylor:

potentially softens the tension there and creates more potential

Tristan Paylor:

for compromise between those two areas of life.

Kyle Pierce:

But with Mars, overcoming those, those fourth

Kyle Pierce:

house planets, sort of like doing some damage to like the

Kyle Pierce:

privacy even, you know, like, yeah, say the things that people

Kyle Pierce:

don't want to hear is maybe just like, part of like, what you're

Kyle Pierce:

called to do to some degree, maybe at some point and have

Kyle Pierce:

like, your, your sort of privacy disturbed by that or? Yeah, that

Kyle Pierce:

feels like mean, just having to do something that it's like a

Kyle Pierce:

hard choice, or I don't know, like, like me wanting to keep

Kyle Pierce:

the peace, like the Venus. But you know, Venus is also like,

Kyle Pierce:

now we got challenged consensus. So,

Tristan Paylor:

yes, I see where you're coming from, and it's

Tristan Paylor:

making me think about situation, you know, an example from my own

Tristan Paylor:

life right now. Like the the fourth house, in Carolina's

Tristan Paylor:

chart is, is a little mixed, you know, it's a little confusing,

Tristan Paylor:

because you've got to benefic of the second favor, that being

Tristan Paylor:

Jupiter in the fourth house, and you know, in a day chart,

Tristan Paylor:

Jupiter is traditionally the most positive planet and so

Tristan Paylor:

where Jupiter is located, should generally you know, indicate

Tristan Paylor:

where things tend to go well and go easily and be pleasant and

Tristan Paylor:

enjoyable, like, you know, potentially some of the most

Tristan Paylor:

fulfilling or enjoyable topics of life will be found where

Tristan Paylor:

Jupiter is, but you know, Jupiter is also retrograde and

Tristan Paylor:

in sort of a complicated, you know, maltreatment with Mars,

Tristan Paylor:

but there's also like, some reception there by exaltation,

Tristan Paylor:

because cancer is Jupiter's exaltation. But, you know, Mars

Tristan Paylor:

doesn't really understand Libra very well. So, you know,

Tristan Paylor:

there's, there's a little bit of potential for relating to each

Tristan Paylor:

other here. But I'd still say overall, it's quite a tense

Tristan Paylor:

relationship between Mars and Jupiter. So yeah, it's like in

Tristan Paylor:

in theory, you know, home and family should be like, some of

Tristan Paylor:

the most enjoyable experiences in this chart. And then, you

Tristan Paylor:

know, Mars is kind of getting in there and being like, I want to

Tristan Paylor:

cause problems. But, you know, I don't I don't actually really

Tristan Paylor:

think of it as far as causing problems and I think that's a

Tristan Paylor:

lesson I'm learning right now. As someone who also has cancer

Tristan Paylor:

rising and has a Libra fourth house like Karolina does. I am

Tristan Paylor:

in a Mars year, as is Karolina actually, I checked, we're both

Tristan Paylor:

fifth house we're both having Mars years. And so Mars is and

Tristan Paylor:

Kyle too. So like all three of us, really, we're all in the

Tristan Paylor:

same boat here where Mars risings with Mars, transiting

Tristan Paylor:

the fourth Mars Sun, Mars in detriment transiting the fourth

Tristan Paylor:

house.

Kyle Pierce:

Actually my Solar Return chart this year, looks a

Kyle Pierce:

lot like Karolina say Mars Exactly. On my ascendant for

Kyle Pierce:

celebrity. Return to the minute. Oh, that's interesting. I

Kyle Pierce:

actually got pulled over the next day, the day after my

Kyle Pierce:

birthday because my license was expired for one day had been

Kyle Pierce:

expired for one day and I got it Legal hell. But you know, Mars

Kyle Pierce:

also rules my tongue started the podcast or two podcasts actually

Kyle Pierce:

this year. So you take the good with the bad.

Tristan Paylor:

Oh, that's that's the thing, right is that

Tristan Paylor:

the mill? The mill ethics represent extremes. And I think,

Tristan Paylor:

you know, we tend to think of the mill ethics as representing

Tristan Paylor:

all the bad stuff, forgetting that extremes mean that there is

Tristan Paylor:

extreme good and extreme bad. And I mean, that's certainly

Tristan Paylor:

been my experience of my Mars years so far is it's a roller

Tristan Paylor:

coaster, where it's like absolute euphoria, everything's

Tristan Paylor:

going well, tons of opportunities are being handed

Tristan Paylor:

to you. And then the worst of the worst, everything is falling

Tristan Paylor:

apart, and then we go back up. It's, I think, maybe why, you

Tristan Paylor:

know, people are sometimes sometimes express disappointment

Tristan Paylor:

about Jupiter transits and that's like, Well, if the time

Tristan Paylor:

of your life when Jupiter was making that transit was really

Tristan Paylor:

genuinely Jupiter re, it probably would have just gone by

Tristan Paylor:

without any fanfare, because now it's like, easy and things come

Tristan Paylor:

naturally. And, you know, it's the the Mars energy that's like,

Tristan Paylor:

wow, that was really amazing. And then that was really

Tristan Paylor:

terrible, sort of, like all at once, or whatever.

Kyle Pierce:

Like, Jupiter might pass you the ball, but you still

Kyle Pierce:

got to run with it.

Tristan Paylor:

Yeah. But yeah, the sort of experience I'm

Tristan Paylor:

having with Mars, and Libra, transiting my fourth house right

Tristan Paylor:

now is I've got like, weird family stuff going on. And it

Tristan Paylor:

has, you know, I guess in my life, I've been very

Tristan Paylor:

characteristically a, you know, Venus ruled fourth house kind of

Tristan Paylor:

person where my approach to family is, you know, I'm I just

Tristan Paylor:

tried to be relaxed and live or let live and just kind of end up

Tristan Paylor:

ignoring a lot of problems and not asserting myself. And, you

Tristan Paylor:

know, just sort of being agreeable in situations where I

Tristan Paylor:

should actually be standing up for myself. But it's been the

Tristan Paylor:

kind of case where I've been able to get away with that for a

Tristan Paylor:

long time. And now that Mars is going through my fourth house,

Tristan Paylor:

I'm going through a situation where it's sort of like, oh, I

Tristan Paylor:

can't ignore this anymore. There. There's actually like,

Tristan Paylor:

serious dysfunction here. And, you know, I think that can be

Tristan Paylor:

one of the qualities of Mars where, you know, maybe the Moon

Tristan Paylor:

and Jupiter in Libra and Carolina's fourth house, you

Tristan Paylor:

know, they just want to be kind of live and let live when it

Tristan Paylor:

comes to issues at home. You know, whether those are physical

Tristan Paylor:

issues with like, the actual house or their dynamics within a

Tristan Paylor:

family or what have you any any sort of fourth house topics,

Tristan Paylor:

they're going to be a little more laid back about it. And,

Tristan Paylor:

you know, sometimes being laid back about things causes us to

Tristan Paylor:

miss problems until they've been kind of building for so long

Tristan Paylor:

that it becomes really hard to change them and Mars is kind of

Tristan Paylor:

the energy that we need to shake us out of those ruts a little

Tristan Paylor:

bit.

Kyle Pierce:

Actually, I think it's funny that Justin had been

Kyle Pierce:

talking about this a lot since Mars got into Libra, but both

Kyle Pierce:

having just kind of like annoying like family problems

Kyle Pierce:

sort of come up as Mars transits the fourth house in a Mars ruled

Kyle Pierce:

perfection year I'd be really curious actually hope that you

Kyle Pierce:

maybe let us know Karolina. If you're having annoying family

Kyle Pierce:

problems.

Tristan Paylor:

or annoying like house problems like Yeah, I

Tristan Paylor:

think when Keith and I first moved in my partner and I first

Tristan Paylor:

moved into our new house, we actually have a well which is in

Tristan Paylor:

mundane astrology wells are ruled by the fourth house. And I

Tristan Paylor:

think Mars was going through his fourth house. And the well bro

Tristan Paylor:

you know, and I feel like it's not it's not it's it's easy to

Tristan Paylor:

tell a narrative where it's like, oh, Mars is coming in

Tristan Paylor:

fucking things up, but it's actually not that like Mars is

Tristan Paylor:

antagonizing so much as Mars is pointing out that like, hey,

Tristan Paylor:

this thing's been breaking down for a really long time. And if

Tristan Paylor:

you just put like a little bit too much pressure on it right

Tristan Paylor:

now, it's going to utterly collapse. So like you now are

Tristan Paylor:

forced to address it.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, yeah. Do some work. Do some Mars.

Tristan Paylor:

Yeah, you got to do the Mars Mars work, which is,

Tristan Paylor:

you know, the the work to sort of maintain a I guess adequate

Tristan Paylor:

level. It's like fixing your well, or, you know, dealing with

Tristan Paylor:

annoying annoying family members.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, I'm just one. There's another chart thing I

Kyle Pierce:

wanted to point out. I find interesting. Is Mercury is in

Kyle Pierce:

Pisces, in the ninth house. Um, it's actually has the Anisha

Kyle Pierce:

with Jupiter and Venus. It's within what is that? It's a

Kyle Pierce:

couple of degrees off, but it's like within what I would call

Kyle Pierce:

the range of the Anisha. So it's like kind of being received by

Kyle Pierce:

Jupiter through that. And Tisha, for listeners unfamiliar with

Kyle Pierce:

Anisha has to do with the equinox all points, right? So

Kyle Pierce:

like the Pisces, Aries cusp, the Virgo, Libra cusp, the Capricorn

Kyle Pierce:

Sagittarius cups and the Gemini cancer, cusp. And when you think

Kyle Pierce:

of like the planets being able to see each other by a

Kyle Pierce:

traditional aspect, you know, it's one form of affinity. But

Kyle Pierce:

the Anisha was another form of affinity, another way for

Kyle Pierce:

planets to to interact with each other, as opposed to just being

Kyle Pierce:

like in a version because they have the same distance away from

Kyle Pierce:

the solstice points. I can never remember what to call those

Kyle Pierce:

things.

Tristan Paylor:

But Equinox points because I think a

Tristan Paylor:

solstice Yeah, one is contour and Tisha is Solstice points. I

Tristan Paylor:

think, if I'm remembering this correctly, we have the symbolism

Tristan Paylor:

has to do with like, having the same amount of light that's

Tristan Paylor:

that's what gives them affinity.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, so there's like a relationship with the

Kyle Pierce:

planets kind of like mitigated diversion. But Mercury is like

Kyle Pierce:

in this kind of interesting position to like, because

Kyle Pierce:

mercury is, you know, the translator to sort of be a voice

Kyle Pierce:

for those, those two planets and it's in a applying trine with

Kyle Pierce:

Mars on the ascendant. So I don't know if you do any kind of

Kyle Pierce:

writing or like philosophical or like spiritual activities, like

Kyle Pierce:

ninth house activities.

Tristan Paylor:

Astrologer ology Yeah. Mercury is the planet of

Tristan Paylor:

astrology in the house of astrology in your chart,

Tristan Paylor:

Karolina so HINT HINT nudge nudge on Mercury

Kyle Pierce:

is to grade Mercury Mars is going to be gather so

Kyle Pierce:

maybe maybe that's why you wanted to reach out to astrology

Kyle Pierce:

going for like two hours now two and a half hours coincides and

Kyle Pierce:

he reaching out to a couple astrologers. But yeah, I don't

Kyle Pierce:

know if you do any writing, but that could be a really good way

Kyle Pierce:

of and I always like my mind jumps to remediation, or just

Kyle Pierce:

like ways to like a positive ways to like, you know, without

Kyle Pierce:

a chart writing. gonna write something controversial or, you

Kyle Pierce:

know, if you have like big opinions, right? Um,

Tristan Paylor:

one one last little thing I wanted to point

Tristan Paylor:

out as an interesting mitigating factor in this chart. Before I

Tristan Paylor:

actually attempt to answer the question properly, and not just

Tristan Paylor:

sit here and analyze curliness turn on night, which is proving

Tristan Paylor:

to be a really fun exercise. Yeah, thank you for sharing.

Kyle Pierce:

I mean, I won't be dismissive of, you know, some of

Kyle Pierce:

the challenges that can be described in a chart, but that

Kyle Pierce:

can be what is nice about astrology too, is that you know,

Kyle Pierce:

sort of look at the fun side of things too.

Tristan Paylor:

Yeah, I think that's sorry, go ahead. You

Kyle Pierce:

go ahead. I was thinking you

Tristan Paylor:

know, you know, we're gonna we're gonna channel

Tristan Paylor:

the energy or like, you know, Venus in Aries, where it's like,

Tristan Paylor:

I'm going to be aggressively polite. Go first. No,

Tristan Paylor:

absolutely. I will kill you if you don't go first.

Kyle Pierce:

I like that

Tristan Paylor:

Venus in Aries. And Karolina is chart or, you

Tristan Paylor:

know, Mars transiting through Libra. Right now. We're

Tristan Paylor:

channeling the energy of one or both of them. Venus in in Aries

Tristan Paylor:

in Carolina's chart is actually in its own term. So not only for

Tristan Paylor:

those unfamiliar with the subdivisions of the zodiac

Tristan Paylor:

signs, there are various methods of dividing the zodiac signs

Tristan Paylor:

into smaller sections that also have symbolic meaning. And term

Tristan Paylor:

or bound is a really ancient one where you know, each zodiac sign

Tristan Paylor:

is kind of unevenly divided. And each section is ruled by its own

Tristan Paylor:

planet. So in curliness chart, Venus at eight degrees of Aries

Tristan Paylor:

is in its own bound, or term. And one way to interpret this is

Tristan Paylor:

it's a type of essential dignity. And it's kind of like

Tristan Paylor:

Venus is in you know, the best room in the house. So Venus is

Tristan Paylor:

in Mars's house because it's an Aries which is an awkward place

Tristan Paylor:

for Venus to find itself. But Venus at least has the nicest

Tristan Paylor:

room in Mars's house, which, you know, gives it a little bit of a

Tristan Paylor:

boost and, you know, because it's also in the overcoming

Tristan Paylor:

position over Mars. It you know, has little Little bit of power

Tristan Paylor:

so you know I kind of think of this as like she's a guest in

Tristan Paylor:

Mars's house and Mars is kind of making his best effort to give

Tristan Paylor:

her a space of her own where she can be comfortable even though

Tristan Paylor:

she's so far from her actual home so it's like you know Venus

Tristan Paylor:

can have the most of Venus the room and Mars his house and can

Tristan Paylor:

kind of make some demands of Mars like, I don't really like

Tristan Paylor:

the food here. You know, I I'm tired of eating red meat and

Tristan Paylor:

drinking whiskey like I you know, want some souffle or

Tristan Paylor:

whatever, you know, Venus would want to eat and can kind of, you

Tristan Paylor:

know, get get a little bit of demand a little bit of room

Tristan Paylor:

service from Mars here.

Kyle Pierce:

No. I actually, I love this. I'm just realizing,

Kyle Pierce:

remember this because I wrote an article on it was the lunation.

Kyle Pierce:

This year, March 28. The Full Moon in Libra. It was when Venus

Kyle Pierce:

was Cassini, the sun in Aries and opposing exactly the Moon in

Kyle Pierce:

Libra at the exact same degree in your chart, currently no.

Kyle Pierce:

Eight degrees when it was in its own bound. It's actually

Kyle Pierce:

interesting that that happened and it would have been a Venus

Kyle Pierce:

rule year. So I'm wondering if something interesting might

Kyle Pierce:

happen for you. March 28 of 2021 just figuring this out, so I

Kyle Pierce:

don't I don't have like an off the cuff interpretation for

Kyle Pierce:

that. But I feel like I'm giving Karolina a lot of homework.

Kyle Pierce:

Sorry. But if I really want to know now, you want to shoot us

Kyle Pierce:

an email or something? Anything happened, like around the end of

Kyle Pierce:

March? Because that full moon is interesting. And I found it I

Kyle Pierce:

thought it was a really interesting position for Venus

Kyle Pierce:

to be in in its own term and then Cassini lithium exalted

Kyle Pierce:

sun. Yeah, anyway, yeah. The term the Venus is in the gives

Kyle Pierce:

like he's like better equipped, you know, actually, I feel like

Kyle Pierce:

it's a really good position for a retrograde Venus in Aries to

Kyle Pierce:

be in, like where it has, like all the tools to do its job,

Kyle Pierce:

because it is like a little more of a challenger. And it has, you

Kyle Pierce:

know, access to the the Venus section of the arsenal.

Tristan Paylor:

Hmm. Yeah, it's like, you know, it's still

Tristan Paylor:

challenging placement, fundamentally, but ultimately

Tristan Paylor:

also has access to resources, they're going to enable it to

Tristan Paylor:

meet those challenges. Yeah. In terms of, you know, dealing with

Tristan Paylor:

difficult aspects, which is one of the questions, Karolina

Tristan Paylor:

asked, you know, how do you react to challenging aspect

Tristan Paylor:

panic or panic Freako has my dog is doing right now. Ketsu took

Tristan Paylor:

your injunction to panic very seriously. My dog also has a, a

Tristan Paylor:

moon Mars square in his chart. And he's very, very good at.

Kyle Pierce:

Oh, yeah, that's like one of the few things we

Kyle Pierce:

don't have in common in our charts. You don't have the moon

Kyle Pierce:

Mars square?

Tristan Paylor:

No, no, I still get panic moon because it's in a

Tristan Paylor:

Mars sign. But the Moon and Mars are sextile in my chart. So

Tristan Paylor:

that's a little. I don't know, I guess I know how to manage my

Tristan Paylor:

panic when it happens. Hopefully, maybe that's because

Tristan Paylor:

more because that's what it means. Justified panic,

Kyle Pierce:

unjustified? No, or more. Exactly. Fine.

Tristan Paylor:

All right, I see what you're saying.

Kyle Pierce:

Everything's sextile Interesting. Okay.

Tristan Paylor:

One piece of advice for dealing with any sort

Tristan Paylor:

of contradiction or, you know, two impulses or two areas of

Tristan Paylor:

life that you know, require some kind of reconciliation or

Tristan Paylor:

compromise is to give them a common goal. So, you know, if

Tristan Paylor:

the planets involved in a challenging aspect, share some

Tristan Paylor:

kind of goal in common, they're more likely to work together in

Tristan Paylor:

spite of their differences. So just kind of looking at your

Tristan Paylor:

chart for examples. You know, Mars and the Moon are both

Tristan Paylor:

connected to your first house because your first house is

Tristan Paylor:

ruled by the moon. And Mars is, you know, right there on the

Tristan Paylor:

ascendant. So, you know, both of these planets, in a sense, are

Tristan Paylor:

being tasked with helping you to establish a really strong sense

Tristan Paylor:

of individual identity. You know, helping you to cultivate

Tristan Paylor:

self esteem, that kind of thing. And, you know, if you're able to

Tristan Paylor:

kind of get those two Um, impulses working together

Tristan Paylor:

towards, you know, sort of the common goal of like a healthy,

Tristan Paylor:

strong sense of identity. You know, that can be a way of

Tristan Paylor:

reconciling those.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, I mean, so how to react would be not to do

Kyle Pierce:

what I said earlier, because I was joking. But yeah, don't

Kyle Pierce:

panic, because I do think there's a lot of things that you

Kyle Pierce:

and I, and everyone can do that already do do that work with

Kyle Pierce:

those difficult aspects. But I mean, I guess you gotta like

Kyle Pierce:

take it on a case by case basis, because it's like the, I tend to

Kyle Pierce:

think that the aspect in the chart the planets involved in

Kyle Pierce:

everything can describe, you know, a problem, it also kind of

Kyle Pierce:

has like the, the solution sort of built into it too. I don't

Kyle Pierce:

find that most things, in certain things are

Kyle Pierce:

irreconcilable, like, I don't know, probably not going to

Kyle Pierce:

enjoy like coffee beans, and your peanut butter and jelly, or

Kyle Pierce:

something. But usually, there are ways that you can integrate

Kyle Pierce:

something like a square, or something that kind of points to

Kyle Pierce:

a dichotomy here, or something that seems, you know, a

Kyle Pierce:

conflict. But there's also

Kyle Pierce:

you know, I'm not a psychologist can do, you know, diagnose

Kyle Pierce:

anything, but read a lot about psychology and a lot of the way

Kyle Pierce:

that it's approached, you know, it's not so much about fixing,

Kyle Pierce:

you know, what's wrong with you. It's not really what it's about,

Kyle Pierce:

it's about no forgiving yourself for not being perfect for not

Kyle Pierce:

having all exalted planets that are all trying and sextile to

Kyle Pierce:

each other. Like, you know, we're all imperfect creatures.

Kyle Pierce:

And it's also kind of what makes us interesting and unique, and

Kyle Pierce:

how we react to challenges and the creative ways that we find

Kyle Pierce:

to solve those problems. I don't know, sometimes I like to look

Kyle Pierce:

at like some, like difficult placements is like, a quest or

Kyle Pierce:

something like, a problem that I had been tasked to solve. Like.

Kyle Pierce:

I don't know that I think that's what's cool about astrology is

Kyle Pierce:

that you get the symbolic framework for looking at things

Kyle Pierce:

and you can use that in a very negative way. And you can, you

Kyle Pierce:

can play with that and find, you know, ways to re to tell the

Kyle Pierce:

story differently. This strategy is great, because it like it

Kyle Pierce:

calls attention to tendencies that you may already be aware

Kyle Pierce:

of, but maybe puts them into a context, it's like easier to

Kyle Pierce:

identify, and potentially makes it easier to work with, because

Kyle Pierce:

you can actually have a language to describe it.

Tristan Paylor:

I really, I really liked that about how, you

Tristan Paylor:

know, there are different ways to tell the story. Astrology

Tristan Paylor:

gives you different ways of telling your story. And you can

Tristan Paylor:

look at it through many different from many different

Tristan Paylor:

perspectives. You know, one of my pieces of advice for

Tristan Paylor:

navigating challenging placements is having a sense of

Tristan Paylor:

humor. Okay, now, I want to Kyle's pet charts that we

Tristan Paylor:

discussed on a recent episode, as Will Ferrell who has you

Tristan Paylor:

know, a lot of debilitated planets in his chart. And, you

Tristan Paylor:

know, they are expressed through comedy where it's like, there's

Tristan Paylor:

an incongruence at two planets and follow detriment. And that

Tristan Paylor:

kind of incongruency like something being in a place where

Tristan Paylor:

it's not supposed to be is the core of humor. You know, so

Tristan Paylor:

finding, finding a way to express those things through

Tristan Paylor:

humor is his one is one way, that's one perspective, you can

Tristan Paylor:

take but of course, you know, like, I also appreciated what

Tristan Paylor:

you were saying earlier, you know, we were talking about this

Tristan Paylor:

being a fun chart to analyze, but you know, not wanting to

Tristan Paylor:

sound dismissive, because another perspective, you can

Tristan Paylor:

take on your chart, like you can take the perspective on your

Tristan Paylor:

chart of, you know, this is fun, and, you know, I can kind of see

Tristan Paylor:

the humor in my life using this framework, but you can also take

Tristan Paylor:

the perspective that, you know, I can see some of the hardest

Tristan Paylor:

things that have happened in my life in my chart, right? So

Tristan Paylor:

depending on the perspective you're looking at your chart

Tristan Paylor:

from, and I certainly, you know, don't want to suggest that, you

Tristan Paylor:

know, life is just all fun and games and that's, you know, the

Tristan Paylor:

best way to look at your chart sometimes. You will find that,

Tristan Paylor:

you know, the symbolism in your chart can say something about a

Tristan Paylor:

particularly difficult situation that happened in your life.

Tristan Paylor:

That's become a really important or influential part of your

Tristan Paylor:

story. And you know, Looking at the astrology more seriously,

Tristan Paylor:

and using it to help you tell the story of some of the harder

Tristan Paylor:

things that have happened in your life can also be healing.

Tristan Paylor:

And, you know, give you a language for talking about them

Tristan Paylor:

and, you know, figuring out how they fit into your life story in

Tristan Paylor:

a meaningful way. You know, and like I was saying, there's some

Tristan Paylor:

things in life that are just irreconcilable. But there are

Tristan Paylor:

some things in life that are difficult, but we're able to

Tristan Paylor:

sort of find meaning in them, regardless, and the symbols of

Tristan Paylor:

astrology are really rich for helping us to find meaning in

Tristan Paylor:

those difficult circumstances.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, that was like, the only other thing I

Kyle Pierce:

wanted to say was that you make meaning out of it, you know?

Kyle Pierce:

Think since our last episode, we were exploring the, the science

Kyle Pierce:

seen as sort of not science, Enos of astrology, and kind of,

Kyle Pierce:

regardless of like, where you come come down on what is or

Kyle Pierce:

isn't, you know, objectively true about astrology, it's a

Kyle Pierce:

tool for meaning making. And there is no objective single

Kyle Pierce:

meaning to things. You know, it's like our job as humans is

Kyle Pierce:

we do the meaning making. And astrology is a great tool for

Kyle Pierce:

that. And can really strategy is very Jupiter free in the sense

Kyle Pierce:

of that it can very much stabilize and affirm meaning in

Kyle Pierce:

certain ways, like, oh, yeah, this, this came up this time,

Kyle Pierce:

and like, you know, connects with this. And maybe this means

Kyle Pierce:

that I didn't get picked on and made fun of in high school for,

Kyle Pierce:

for nothing, you know, that there's something to be gained

Kyle Pierce:

from that, or something that can be made positive out of that.

Kyle Pierce:

And that's not to say that, like, oh, yeah, get picked on in

Kyle Pierce:

high school, that'd be great. Let's say that, you know, Yeah,

Kyle Pierce:

that sucks. But like we can, we can turn, we can turn that into,

Kyle Pierce:

we can find gems in that, you know, we can become people that

Kyle Pierce:

empathize with people that were bullied or, you know, we can be

Kyle Pierce:

equipped with the tools to help to help those people or, you

Kyle Pierce:

know, whatever. There's lots of ways to make meaning. And I

Kyle Pierce:

guess I, sometimes I wish I was like one of those astrologers

Kyle Pierce:

that have, like, a really strict sense of beliefs that, you know,

Kyle Pierce:

I could tell clients like, oh, well, this means that in a past

Kyle Pierce:

life, this and that, and you're in this life to heal that wound,

Kyle Pierce:

I wish I could tell people that and I don't disagree with those

Kyle Pierce:

ideas or statements. I just don't know if it's my particular

Kyle Pierce:

personal role to say those things. But I mean, yeah, I

Kyle Pierce:

think at the end of the day, give yourself credit to, I

Kyle Pierce:

guess, for all the things you've done to make that work, all the

Kyle Pierce:

work you've done to make progress. You know, if you got a

Kyle Pierce:

bad a bad, traditional Venus, you know, focus on like, the

Kyle Pierce:

take some time to focus on like, the ways that you've been Venus,

Kyle Pierce:

to people, or in your life. Because you have anybody who

Kyle Pierce:

hasn't been a little bit Venus. Yeah, I don't know. I think that

Kyle Pierce:

I know, early on in astrology, for me, particularly Hellenistic

Kyle Pierce:

astrology would look at, like, you know, the negative things

Kyle Pierce:

that were being described. But I kind of forgot to give myself

Kyle Pierce:

credit for all the things that I've done to manage that. And,

Kyle Pierce:

you know, your chart can't take that away from you, I guess.

Kyle Pierce:

Doesn't mean you're doomed to fail at this, you know, means

Kyle Pierce:

you have a challenge here. And, you know, you might do the work

Kyle Pierce:

to make the best of that, or to turn that around. But it might

Kyle Pierce:

be almost makes like your achievements, that area, like

Kyle Pierce:

more earned or deserved, in some ways, because they weren't like

Kyle Pierce:

handed to you, or, you know, the world wasn't wasn't built to

Kyle Pierce:

accommodate, you know, your particular inclinations, you had

Kyle Pierce:

to carve out your, your, your niche.

Tristan Paylor:

Yeah, I like that, you know, having to carve

Tristan Paylor:

out your niche. I think that really is one of the important

Tristan Paylor:

lessons of debilitated planets. And just, you know, thinking

Tristan Paylor:

more about the different perspectives you can take when

Tristan Paylor:

you approach those placements. You know, when I think about my

Tristan Paylor:

own debilitated planets like to use, you know, my Moon in

Tristan Paylor:

Scorpio as an example. You know, I have anxiety disorders, I have

Tristan Paylor:

OCD. And those, you know, the symbolism of the Moon in Scorpio

Tristan Paylor:

really connects with those experiences to me, and you know,

Tristan Paylor:

that's some of the most difficult stuff that I deal with

Tristan Paylor:

in my life, like, I don't feel like I'm a better person,

Tristan Paylor:

because I have OCD, my life would be better if I didn't have

Tristan Paylor:

it, you know, I wouldn't wish it on anyone, there's no, there's

Tristan Paylor:

no benefit, at least for me, you know, maybe other people have a

Tristan Paylor:

different perspective on their own illness, but for me, like,

Tristan Paylor:

there's no benefit to having it, that, you know, the challenges

Tristan Paylor:

it's brought to my life, you know, haven't really done

Tristan Paylor:

anything of value for me. But, you know, it's part of my story,

Tristan Paylor:

and I can see it reflected in my moon sign, and that makes me

Tristan Paylor:

feel seen, it makes me feel seen, you know, by the cosmos,

Tristan Paylor:

and, you know, some of the ways of managing that stuff is also

Tristan Paylor:

communicated by that symbol. So it's not just, you know, sort of

Tristan Paylor:

reflecting my experience, and giving me an alternative way of

Tristan Paylor:

describing that experience. But, you know, the, the skills are

Tristan Paylor:

what's in the toolbox of the moon, and Scorpio, you know,

Tristan Paylor:

offers me potentially some guidance for how to manage that.

Tristan Paylor:

And so, you know, that's, that's one way that, you know, the Moon

Tristan Paylor:

in Scorpio is meaningful to me, and it's describing something

Tristan Paylor:

pretty negative. And pretty hard. But on the other hand, you

Tristan Paylor:

know, there if I look at my chart through a more fun

Tristan Paylor:

perspective, my Moon in Scorpio also describes some things that

Tristan Paylor:

are like, pretty neutral or pretty funny or goofy, you know,

Tristan Paylor:

because it's an awkward placement for the moon. It's

Tristan Paylor:

like the Moon in Scorpio is in the fifth house. The Fifth house

Tristan Paylor:

is supposed to be you know, how we have fun and take pleasure in

Tristan Paylor:

things and you know, what we value and, you know, I'm like,

Tristan Paylor:

an avid Bone Collector, and, you know, my idea of a good time, is

Tristan Paylor:

like, going to the entomology section of the library and

Tristan Paylor:

reading the weirdest thing that would freak everybody else out,

Tristan Paylor:

you know, like, that's my, the things that I enjoy our fairy

Tristan Paylor:

Moon in Scorpio, you know, like, I keep a praying mantis as a

Tristan Paylor:

path because like, I enjoy that. And it's like, that's kind of

Tristan Paylor:

funny, you know, or it's just like, I, you know, there's this

Tristan Paylor:

certain weirdness. To me, that is also symbolized by a Moon in

Tristan Paylor:

Scorpio, and I can lean into that, and like, see the humor

Tristan Paylor:

and the, you know, creativity and uniqueness in that. So there

Tristan Paylor:

are all these different outlooks you can take when you're looking

Tristan Paylor:

at those placements. And some of them might reflect genuinely

Tristan Paylor:

difficult experiences you've had, but offer some guidance as

Tristan Paylor:

to how to deal with them. And some of them, you know, might

Tristan Paylor:

reflect neutral or even positive experiences, even though the

Tristan Paylor:

placement is unusual or difficult.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think there are things about

Kyle Pierce:

totally a Scorpio moon in the fifth house, right? Wouldn't it

Kyle Pierce:

be great, if there was no such thing, if there was no such

Kyle Pierce:

thing as a fallen planet or plant, you know, or whatever,

Kyle Pierce:

there were no outcasts, you know, if you're going to have

Kyle Pierce:

like, highly successful people, you're going to have big

Kyle Pierce:

failures to write. But I'm proud to be somebody who, who likes

Kyle Pierce:

those people, likes the little stories of the people that you

Kyle Pierce:

know, fell through the cracks, or, you know, refuse to even

Kyle Pierce:

refuse but just by nature aren't, don't just fit just

Kyle Pierce:

don't easily fit in to the generally accepted scheme. But

Kyle Pierce:

I'm glad that there are people like that, to to have those

Kyle Pierce:

people who care about those people care about those those

Kyle Pierce:

things, situations and experiences. Because they exist,

Kyle Pierce:

and we have opportunity to make meaning out of those things. I

Kyle Pierce:

mean, it that's like my, my job, our job, Tristan, like, is it

Kyle Pierce:

think of it like that way? Like, oh, yeah, I like to read about

Kyle Pierce:

serial killers. And I can't think of anything redeeming or

Kyle Pierce:

positive about that. Other than, you know, that exists. And to be

Kyle Pierce:

made out of that, actually, there's nothing good about about

Kyle Pierce:

being interested in that. But a lot of people are, I don't know,

Kyle Pierce:

I don't know what they will.

Tristan Paylor:

Maybe it is, maybe it's the motivation

Tristan Paylor:

behind, you know, the the Scorpy onic desire to understand the

Tristan Paylor:

worst parts of human nature, you know, the willingness to face

Tristan Paylor:

things that, you know, we don't generally want to look at in

Tristan Paylor:

order, you know, to understand the extremes of human nature

Tristan Paylor:

and, you know, to understand it, how is I think like, this sort

Tristan Paylor:

of what most people are probably interested in, you know, when

Tristan Paylor:

they're reading about true crime is how, or why, how did this

Tristan Paylor:

happen? And if we know how it happened And maybe it can be

Tristan Paylor:

prevented. And so maybe there is you know that that interest has

Tristan Paylor:

redeeming qualities, right or like, you know, what if you're

Tristan Paylor:

you know, in into forensics or something or, you know, you

Tristan Paylor:

investigate these horrible crimes for a living, like you're

Tristan Paylor:

doing work in a very melodic, you know, blind debilitated area

Tristan Paylor:

of life in order to prevent that those circumstances from

Tristan Paylor:

happening.

Kyle Pierce:

Exactly. I don't know if we'll ever be able to,

Kyle Pierce:

like completely eliminate those things. But I think that, you

Kyle Pierce:

know, we can reduce them. Let's say that, you know, the planets

Kyle Pierce:

have been going around in circles for 1000s of years, and

Kyle Pierce:

awful shit still happens on Earth, great things still happen

Kyle Pierce:

on earth. But the overall quality of life is improved, I

Kyle Pierce:

think on scale. We're not murdering each other on quite

Kyle Pierce:

the same scale that we used to, I don't know, life expectancies

Kyle Pierce:

have been improved. Lots of other things are terrible. But I

Kyle Pierce:

want the path to remediation. I like to think it's my, you know,

Kyle Pierce:

optimistic, because he needs you better maybe and the, you know,

Kyle Pierce:

maybe the Moon in Scorpio says Everything's fucked, and we're

Kyle Pierce:

all gonna die alone. But we got to accept both of those

Kyle Pierce:

realities, because both of them are true.

Tristan Paylor:

Yeah, that's it. multiple, multiple perspectives

Tristan Paylor:

on reality can be true simultaneously. I guess one last

Tristan Paylor:

thing might want to say is, Karolina did ask about how

Tristan Paylor:

undignified planets or challenging aspects relate to

Tristan Paylor:

one's karma? Which I think is a great question, but one I am

Tristan Paylor:

absolutely not qualified to answer. Karma as I understand

Tristan Paylor:

it, is a very, very complex, multifaceted, philosophical and

Tristan Paylor:

religious concept that can't really be separated from you

Tristan Paylor:

know, the religions and philosophies it belongs to, like

Tristan Paylor:

in in Hinduism, or Jainism, for example. And so, I am certainly,

Tristan Paylor:

you know, not being of that religious or philosophical

Tristan Paylor:

background myself, I am not really qualified to speak on how

Tristan Paylor:

karma plays out in a chart. But I think, you know, if you maybe

Tristan Paylor:

looked into some Vedic astrologers, there might be some

Tristan Paylor:

very talented folks who can answer that question for you.

Kyle Pierce:

Um, you know, in an interpersonal interpersonally,

Kyle Pierce:

like a one on one conversation, I'll have all kinds of

Kyle Pierce:

conversations about.

Tristan Paylor:

Yeah, yeah,

Kyle Pierce:

just the idea of karma, what I think about it, or

Kyle Pierce:

my constantly changing different philosophically thoughts about

Kyle Pierce:

about such things, but in the context of your podcast and

Kyle Pierce:

making an authoritative statement? Yeah, I'm not

Kyle Pierce:

prepared to make a statement on that. So for that, specifically,

Kyle Pierce:

what Tristan said,

Tristan Paylor:

do we want to mention a couple things about

Tristan Paylor:

remediation? Yeah, that's another method. You know, if, if

Tristan Paylor:

you do find that something about a difficult placement in your

Tristan Paylor:

chart resonates with your lived experience, you know, to the

Tristan Paylor:

extent that like, your own agency is able to change those

Tristan Paylor:

circumstances. remediation can be, you know, a sort of like a

Tristan Paylor:

magical act, you know, that helps support you in taking

Tristan Paylor:

control of the circumstances.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah. I certainly

Tristan Paylor:

know, I mean, I guess we should probably define

Tristan Paylor:

remediation.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, um, you might have a more exact definition. To

Kyle Pierce:

me, remediation is like the, the solutions to the problems that

Kyle Pierce:

something in your chart is pointing out or not solutions,

Kyle Pierce:

but like the, the ways to remediate or remediate, you

Kyle Pierce:

know, to smooth that, that that out?

Tristan Paylor:

Yeah, smoothing it out is a good, good way of

Tristan Paylor:

describing it. Remediation is, you know, say, a planet in your

Tristan Paylor:

chart, you know, symbolizes something difficult for you. And

Tristan Paylor:

you know, you have a hard time managing the the topics are the

Tristan Paylor:

energy of that planet as it is in your chart. You can do things

Tristan Paylor:

that are of the nature of that planet or that honor that planet

Tristan Paylor:

in some way. And that is a form of magic, essentially. You know,

Tristan Paylor:

and and whatever you believe about magic, you know, there are

Tristan Paylor:

different perspectives on it. For me, it's it's more of a

Tristan Paylor:

psychological tool. Like I don't think the remediation is going

Tristan Paylor:

to fix all my problems, but it is like a support And, you know,

Tristan Paylor:

potentially an outlet. So like, if you have problems with Mars

Tristan Paylor:

energy in your life, you know, an example that Kyle uses often

Tristan Paylor:

is hitting his punching bag. You know, getting getting in a

Tristan Paylor:

really heavy workout is an example of a Mars remediation

Tristan Paylor:

because it's, it's honoring Mars, and it's giving Mars like

Tristan Paylor:

a constructive outlet in your life in some way.

Kyle Pierce:

And even just like on a practical level, like, I'm

Kyle Pierce:

working on, like a series of articles, flush out my

Kyle Pierce:

remediation page on my website, and I like it when it's

Kyle Pierce:

practical, I like it when it it's fits into, you know,

Kyle Pierce:

established ideas about how people work outside of

Kyle Pierce:

astrology, but when you feel if you have a lot of anger and

Kyle Pierce:

aggression and stuff, well therapy is good. But you know,

Kyle Pierce:

finding a healthy outlet for those feelings is good. It's a

Kyle Pierce:

good thing to do. expressing feelings sucks and then they

Kyle Pierce:

just, you know, they blow up and then you hurt people you don't

Kyle Pierce:

want to hurt people, especially as a cancer rising probably.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, of the punching bag and actually, particularly with Mars

Kyle Pierce:

and cancer kept popping into my head is how many UFC fighters

Kyle Pierce:

have it and what you were saying earlier about, like, you know,

Kyle Pierce:

the Mars wanting to express itself like an appropriately it

Kyle Pierce:

makes sense to me that a lot of those UFC fighters like get into

Kyle Pierce:

that because it's an appropriate channel for the Mars energy. And

Kyle Pierce:

so you know, finding appropriate channels. So, I would say

Kyle Pierce:

swimming, physical activity. Water gun fights,

Tristan Paylor:

water gun fights are good Mars in Cancer

Tristan Paylor:

remediation. I love that

Kyle Pierce:

if you start like an adult Water Gun park like

Kyle Pierce:

adults can can shoot each other with water guns and throw water

Kyle Pierce:

balloons at each other and my God, that's the flag with water

Kyle Pierce:

guns. Oh my god, I think that's your that's your destiny.

Tristan Paylor:

That's your calling Uranus and Mars rules

Tristan Paylor:

the fifth house which is fun and recreation and it's in your

Tristan Paylor:

first house in a water sign clearly, Karolina was destined

Tristan Paylor:

to open an amusement park where people can shoot each other with

Tristan Paylor:

water guns.

Kyle Pierce:

I would love that, that would be so amazing. And I

Kyle Pierce:

would totally we would promote your waterpark on the show. That

Kyle Pierce:

would be fantastic. But or something like that, you know, I

Kyle Pierce:

guess that's how I like to approach remediation a lot. But,

Kyle Pierce:

you know, finding constructive manifestations of your chat.

Tristan Paylor:

I think you found a good Venus retrograde in

Tristan Paylor:

Aries remediation earlier, when you know you were talking about

Tristan Paylor:

fashion. And you know, potentially a good remediate of

Tristan Paylor:

activity for Venus retrograde in Aries is you know, just not even

Tristan Paylor:

necessarily, you know, as, as a professional thing, you could

Tristan Paylor:

just do it for fun, like designing outfits or, you know,

Tristan Paylor:

like Mars and Aries real sharp things, like pull out the sewing

Tristan Paylor:

machine, or, you know, out of colors or learn how to tattoo,

Tristan Paylor:

you know, stuff, stuff like that. Yeah, loud colors, like

Tristan Paylor:

make make a piece of art that's just like really bold and spiky

Tristan Paylor:

and full of bright colors and hot things. Yeah. Yeah, like

Tristan Paylor:

creative outlets.

Kyle Pierce:

Even if you don't like that, like in your space

Kyle Pierce:

all the time. Like, create, like, an altar to that like 90s

Kyle Pierce:

like, hot pink jumpsuit. With like, spikes for shoulder pads.

Kyle Pierce:

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Tristan Paylor:

And there's Sorry, what are you gonna say?

Kyle Pierce:

Nothing. I was really grateful that you were

Kyle Pierce:

about to talk, you're the impetus was no longer on

Tristan Paylor:

your planet planetary donation is another

Tristan Paylor:

form of remediation, or you know, if there's a planet that's

Tristan Paylor:

being a pain in your ass, you know, figure out who are who are

Tristan Paylor:

that planets people and support them in some way. And that's,

Tristan Paylor:

you know, a way of sort of creating a sense of friendliness

Tristan Paylor:

with what that planet represents. And, you know, maybe

Tristan Paylor:

we'll help you work with its energy a bit. So, you know, with

Tristan Paylor:

Mars, yeah. Veterans is an obvious one.

Kyle Pierce:

Dv domestic violence victims. Yeah. Are from

Kyle Pierce:

cancer, be working with them to be donating to shelter?

Tristan Paylor:

And that's, I mean, that's where I see you

Tristan Paylor:

know, planets and fall in detriment. Or in difficult

Tristan Paylor:

aspect working most of the time anyway, like when I think of the

Tristan Paylor:

charts of people I know who have those placements, you know,

Tristan Paylor:

they're like paramedic acts or psychiatric nurses or therapists

Tristan Paylor:

or you know, they volunteer at a shelter or you know, do some

Tristan Paylor:

kind of work in their lives related to those difficult

Tristan Paylor:

circumstances that those placements represent.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah. And that's just intuitively makes sense.

Kyle Pierce:

Because, you know, whether you've experienced that yourself

Kyle Pierce:

or not, a lot of the times people who have experienced

Kyle Pierce:

something in that realm themselves are the ones that,

Kyle Pierce:

you know, want to go help other people who have challenges in

Kyle Pierce:

that area. But yeah, I mean, a lot of the time a chart is like,

Kyle Pierce:

yeah, you'll see difficult placement, and it's them, you

Kyle Pierce:

know, helping other people in those situations or working with

Kyle Pierce:

people in those situations.

Tristan Paylor:

And even if you know, if that placement doesn't

Tristan Paylor:

represent a difficult circumstance that happened to

Tristan Paylor:

you specifically, it can represent sort of a higher

Tristan Paylor:

tolerance or ability to navigate difficult circumstances

Tristan Paylor:

creatively. So like, you know, I know a paramedic who has like a

Tristan Paylor:

really gnarly chart, and it's just like, His disposition is

Tristan Paylor:

just like really well suited to that line of work. Just the way

Tristan Paylor:

he had, like, he just he has he's really good at keeping his

Tristan Paylor:

cool and he's, you know, really good at keeping his head in a

Tristan Paylor:

crisis. And you know, he can he can stomach the work

Tristan Paylor:

essentially. So it's not so much that like, he's injured really

Tristan Paylor:

traumatic things in his life, but he helps other people who

Tristan Paylor:

are dealing with traumatic events because he's got the

Tristan Paylor:

capacity to you know, walk out into those dark scary places and

Tristan Paylor:

face them, which I think is a very debilitated planet quality

Tristan Paylor:

is being able to go into those scary or difficult places and

Tristan Paylor:

not be sort of scared away.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Tristan Paylor:

I think you are slowly dying. I'm hungry. I'm

Tristan Paylor:

tired.

Kyle Pierce:

I do like to do things for hours and hours and

Kyle Pierce:

hours on end, but I like to eat while I'm doing those things or,

Kyle Pierce:

you know, not be in a closet that they were shutting curtain

Kyle Pierce:

up and soundproofed and sit in a bottle of my own sweat.

Tristan Paylor:

That was it hot there.

Kyle Pierce:

Top my closet wonders and electronics going on

Kyle Pierce:

in here.

Tristan Paylor:

Oh, no, this is this is Mars in the eighth

Tristan Paylor:

house. You're just like trapped in a hot box.

Kyle Pierce:

But I have a mission so you know moving

Kyle Pierce:

mission but I guess

Tristan Paylor:

Yeah, Mars is Mars is willing to do anything

Tristan Paylor:

if there's a mission.

Kyle Pierce:

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I was just imagining things I get

Kyle Pierce:

tired and think some silly things. But just imagining like,

Kyle Pierce:

you know, might be a fun thing to do to just like, I don't

Kyle Pierce:

know. Do you ever when you were a kid? Like he didn't play like

Kyle Pierce:

war games as much right?

Tristan Paylor:

No, I that interest was sort of nipped in

Tristan Paylor:

the bud when I was really young. My parents were very against me

Tristan Paylor:

playing any kind of violent games or having any toy soldiers

Tristan Paylor:

or toy weapons or anything like that. So it just wasn't a big

Tristan Paylor:

part of my childhood. Yeah,

Kyle Pierce:

I was a big part of my childhood. And I don't know

Kyle Pierce:

sometimes I like to do it for myself. Just like once like

Kyle Pierce:

child Lee Child, like, childlike way like pretend like whatever I

Kyle Pierce:

need to get done is again Nishan like, I don't know, yeah, and

Kyle Pierce:

warrior mentality about it. And I don't know. being playful with

Kyle Pierce:

your chart, I think can be really helpful. When you're able

Kyle Pierce:

to like sort of laugh about it and be playful with it and like,

Kyle Pierce:

I don't know, it sort of like loses its its hold over you to

Kyle Pierce:

some degree like I don't know, maybe not taking it too

Kyle Pierce:

seriously and

Kyle Pierce:

have a think for a while I was thinking like how looking at

Kyle Pierce:

your placements or whatever, like a shitty placement and I

Kyle Pierce:

was like, turned into a self fulfilling prophecy.

Tristan Paylor:

The fifth house ruler and the first so yeah,

Tristan Paylor:

playfulness is it's part of part of the identity of this whole

Tristan Paylor:

chart.

Kyle Pierce:

Actors like you see roles coming up in their chart

Kyle Pierce:

so often. And I can't help but think that that's like that must

Kyle Pierce:

be remediation in some way like you know about them. It's it's

Kyle Pierce:

the character they played or

Tristan Paylor:

like Alan Rickman, you know, playing Snape

Tristan Paylor:

and having moon and Scorpio. So often I see you Yeah, like so

Tristan Paylor:

often I see actors with all these debilitated planets, and

Tristan Paylor:

it doesn't necessarily show up in their personal professional

Tristan Paylor:

lives, but it shows up in the roles they play. And, you know,

Tristan Paylor:

maybe there's some potential, you know, remediation, like you

Tristan Paylor:

said in there to where, you know, play play the role of Mars

Tristan Paylor:

in Cancer, mercury, and Pisces, you know, or the moon being

Tristan Paylor:

maltreated, or whatever, you know, play that role, you know,

Tristan Paylor:

as an acting project or something, or, you know, write

Tristan Paylor:

that character into a piece of writing that you're working on?

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, give it a separate body. Yeah, sort of,

Kyle Pierce:

like an offering.

Tristan Paylor:

Yeah, and offering Exactly. Oh, I, I'm

Tristan Paylor:

really glad you mentioned the self fulfilling prophecy thing,

Tristan Paylor:

because I think people underestimate how powerful that

Tristan Paylor:

is. It's extremely powerful. And it has like, extremely

Tristan Paylor:

noticeable societal effects as well, like our judgments of

Tristan Paylor:

other people, our pre judgments of other people, or certain

Tristan Paylor:

groups of people, you know, predicted their success to some

Tristan Paylor:

extent, if we're in positions of authority, right. So certainly,

Tristan Paylor:

in our own lives, as well, you know, what we expect for

Tristan Paylor:

ourselves often comes true, and, you know, that's something that

Tristan Paylor:

I think we need to be careful about with astrology, where it's

Tristan Paylor:

really easy for us, you know, if we're in an anxious place, maybe

Tristan Paylor:

to look at our chart or transit coming up and be like, well,

Tristan Paylor:

that confirms the, you know, most catastrophic situation I

Tristan Paylor:

could imagine in my anxious brain on. And then, you know,

Tristan Paylor:

you end up creating a circumstances that, you know,

Tristan Paylor:

you you didn't want, it's, it's not, it's not fate, you know,

Tristan Paylor:

it's our, we actually, you know, have some power over our lives

Tristan Paylor:

and our expectations, they have a lot of power.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, don't give, don't give your power away to

Kyle Pierce:

astrology, or to the parents. Yeah, don't like, let it remove,

Kyle Pierce:

let it divorce you from the agency that you do have. None of

Kyle Pierce:

us are masters of the universe. But, you know, we can choose

Kyle Pierce:

different things changing can take time, and it's hard, but it

Kyle Pierce:

is possible to do.

Tristan Paylor:

And I think it's, I mean, maybe the key, you

Tristan Paylor:

know, there's kind of a balancing act with astrology

Tristan Paylor:

where, you know, on one hand, we don't want to take it too

Tristan Paylor:

seriously. And we want to be careful when we're talking about

Tristan Paylor:

when we're using astrology, to talk about negative stuff, we

Tristan Paylor:

want to be careful because we don't want you know, people to

Tristan Paylor:

take it too seriously. And then start, you know, become afraid

Tristan Paylor:

because of a birth chart, which you know, is that's not, that's

Tristan Paylor:

not a great situation. But at the same time, astrology in

Tristan Paylor:

order to speak meaningfully about life needs to have symbols

Tristan Paylor:

available to it to talk about the most difficult aspects of

Tristan Paylor:

life. So it's, you know, striking that balance, right? Or

Tristan Paylor:

it's like, we don't want to be dismissive of what might be

Tristan Paylor:

genuinely difficult things in somebody's life that they have

Tristan Paylor:

been able to use astrology to find meaning for. But also, you

Tristan Paylor:

know, being really careful not to inspire fear. Yeah. It's like

Tristan Paylor:

finding that balance, where like, you know, astrology

Tristan Paylor:

doesn't dictate your life, it should not inspire fear. But at

Tristan Paylor:

the same time, it does need to have some scary language in it,

Tristan Paylor:

if you want to use it to talk about things that are difficult

Tristan Paylor:

in your life that aren't, you know, necessarily like trying to

Tristan Paylor:

predict whether or not bad things will happen. But you

Tristan Paylor:

know, making meaning out of maybe difficult circumstances

Tristan Paylor:

you're already going through or have already been through, like,

Tristan Paylor:

I find it's more useful to look at the present or look, in

Tristan Paylor:

hindsight, you know, what that kind of symbolism instead of

Tristan Paylor:

looking ahead and predicting doom for yourself?

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah. I just want to say like, look at how it

Kyle Pierce:

actually resonates with your life. Yeah. Yeah, I guess like

Kyle Pierce:

don't project you know, things that aren't, that don't resonate

Kyle Pierce:

with your life onto it. And through that, you can, you know,

Kyle Pierce:

make really good assessments of your life and like, you know,

Kyle Pierce:

see some things you need to patch up if you can see some

Kyle Pierce:

things that tend to go more smoothly for you and work it.

Tristan Paylor:

Yeah. Like ultimately you You are the

Tristan Paylor:

authority on your own life, not your birth chart.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah. Well, that's a good place to wrap it up for

Kyle Pierce:

today.

Tristan Paylor:

I think so. Well,

Kyle Pierce:

thank you so much, Jett. And Karolina for your

Kyle Pierce:

awesome questions. And yeah, like to encourage anyone else

Kyle Pierce:

does Questions, please. You know, send us a send us your

Kyle Pierce:

questions at astrology hotline pod@gmail.com We would love to

Kyle Pierce:

hear them and we'd love to hear back from jet and Catalina as

Kyle Pierce:

well.

Tristan Paylor:

Yeah, that would be awesome. Thank you both so

Tristan Paylor:

much for these questions. You know, obviously we got a ton of

Tristan Paylor:

discussion material out of them. They were excellent questions.

Tristan Paylor:

really, really interesting and important topics. So and also

Tristan Paylor:

just super interesting that your charts are so similar. So

Tristan Paylor:

thematically, you know, things are all like tied together

Tristan Paylor:

really nicely between these two charts.

Kyle Pierce:

That's where mystical Kyle shows up. And it

Kyle Pierce:

was like, that wasn't an accident. I don't know.

Tristan Paylor:

Oh, Sam, that's where my, my, my mystical side

Tristan Paylor:

is loves this. It's just like, yes, this was meant to be.

Kyle Pierce:

You know, it's funny when I first had the idea

Kyle Pierce:

for this show. I was imagining, like, love line style with like,

Kyle Pierce:

you know, questions and like, 10 minute answers, you know?

Unknown:

Yeah, so it's just get longer

Kyle Pierce:

and longer. So I kind of like that, too. I don't

Kyle Pierce:

know. Maybe we'll do a special episode one day,

Tristan Paylor:

like to answer 10 questions,

Kyle Pierce:

to answer them as fast as possible in a short,

Kyle Pierce:

succinct way,

Tristan Paylor:

that will be a huge challenge for me.

Kyle Pierce:

I agree. I like this format. It's fine. It's

Kyle Pierce:

just funny how it actually makes a lot more sense. But But yeah,

Kyle Pierce:

what do you got going on these days? Tristan,

Tristan Paylor:

I have got the usual things going on. My prices

Tristan Paylor:

have gone up a little bit for birth chart consultations. So it

Tristan Paylor:

is $60 for 60 minutes over zoom. And I can, you know, answer your

Tristan Paylor:

questions about your birth chart or just give you a general natal

Tristan Paylor:

chart reading. And if you know if you like it, you're welcome

Tristan Paylor:

to follow up and I can look into transits and perfections and

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more time based things as well. And you can book a reading with

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me through my website, which is bad sign astrology.ca. And you

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can also find me on social media. I'm on Instagram at bad

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sign astrology. And I have a blog where I've been posting my

Tristan Paylor:

astrology writing, which you'll find on my website, but also on

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Tumblr at bad sign astrology. And what about you Kyle can

Tristan Paylor:

consistent branding

Kyle Pierce:

you know, the huge, you can book a consultation with

Kyle Pierce:

me at my website. Remember the name of my own website,

Kyle Pierce:

apparently? Kyle Pierce astrology.com You have like five

Kyle Pierce:

different irons in the fire. I don't wanna talk about anything

Kyle Pierce:

till one is actually

Tristan Paylor:

would you say that your your fixed t square

Tristan Paylor:

is? is causing you to put too many irons in the fire? Yeah,

Tristan Paylor:

yes.

Kyle Pierce:

In the sheer lack of mutability in my chart. It's

Kyle Pierce:

like, I was like the chess analogy. Just like cardinals,

Kyle Pierce:

like your opening move. Fixed is like your mid game and usable is

Kyle Pierce:

your end game. And actually with chest sight, my end game is

Kyle Pierce:

awful. I Yeah, it's really hard for me to like wrap things up.

Kyle Pierce:

But yet, I still want to do you know, like six different things

Kyle Pierce:

at a time. So

Tristan Paylor:

this is why we can't wrap up a show or

Tristan Paylor:

conversations because neither of us have enough mutable in our

Tristan Paylor:

charts. It's just all cardio you only have Yeah, yeah, I have the

Tristan Paylor:

same situation. And we've only have a mutable planet. trying

Tristan Paylor:

desperately to wrap everything up.

Kyle Pierce:

Yep. So you know, if I ever finish any of those

Kyle Pierce:

things, I'll let y'all know. But other than that,

Tristan Paylor:

all yet. Well, bye for now. Thanks for

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listening.

Kyle Pierce:

Yes, thank you all for listening. Please like the

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astrology hotline. Go ahead and send us an email at astrology

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Astrology Hotline
The Podcast that Answers All Your Burning Birth Chart and Astrology Questions
Astrology Hotline is the podcast that answers all your burning birth chart and astrology questions. Hosted by astrologer Kyle Pierce, the show provides an open forum for listeners to have their questions answered and facilitate discussions about a broad range of topics with guests including some of astrology's most up-and-coming astrologers. Whatever it is that has you stumped when it comes to astrology or your birth chart, Astrology Hotline is here to get you the answers your looking for. Send us your questions at astrologyhotlinepod@gmail.com.

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Kyle Pierce

Kyle Pierce is a Professional Astrologer with an inclusive approach based primarily on Hellenistic techniques. He lives in Michigan.