T-Squares and Grand Trines

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Hello and welcome to the astrology hotline where we

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answer your questions about your birth chart or about astrology

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in general. Today is Saturday July 3. My name is Tristan

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Paylor and Co-hosting with me today is Kyle Pierce. Well,

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everyone, we're both professional astrologers with an

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eclectic approach built on the foundation of Hellenistic

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astrology. And we've got a couple of listener questions to

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share with you today and interpret. If you want to do you

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want to go ahead and introduce our first question, Kyle?

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Sure, we can go ahead and get started. So our first

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question is from Katie. Katie asks, transiting Mars opposite

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natal Mars, how does that often present especially now with Mars

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in the T square with Saturn and Uranus? I'm having a major case

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of the I don't cares right now. And I have a feeling it is

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because of the pile up of planets involved in this T

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square. Uranus is conjoined my natal Kryon and Taurus right

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now, too. And Mars is sitting on my natal north node about to

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conjoin my natal Mars. The overall energy lately has been

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what am I doing with my life? Can I sustain this current work

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I'm doing and why am I bothering anymore? Lots of listless I

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don't have the drive or care feelings. So, Katie, excellent

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question. I was really eager to answer this one, because it

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involves a really significant aspect pattern that I think is

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really characterizing the the current astrological weather,

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but I also happen to be kind of in the crosshairs of it. So I'm

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definitely feeling it. I have a like a sun Jupiter conjunction

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about 12 ish degrees of Taurus. So it's right and in the heart

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of the action. So, you know, to address the first part of your

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question, transiting Mars, opposite natal Mars, you know,

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that's going to vary a lot, depending on you know, what else

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is involved in a transit? I think in a general sense, I

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think of it kind of like in terms of phase, like a full

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moon. So maybe kind of like the culminating phase of the Mars

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cycle, as it pertains to your chart and what it points to in

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your chart. But I think in this case, we've really got to put it

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in the context of, you know, the current transit, how would you

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typically read a transiting Mars opposing natal Mars?

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I mean, the first thing I think about is the

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nature of the aspect itself. The nature, the nature's of the

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aspects get you some of their significations from the planet

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they're associated with and the opposition is the aspect of

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Saturn. So it has the character of delays and frustrations,

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putting things on hold challenges and setbacks, you

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know, need to find balance, that sort of thing. So while you

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might think any sort of Mars Mars aspect might be energizing,

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I'd expect the Mars opposition to be I mean, when you think

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about its place, in the cycle of Mars aspects, like, you know,

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Kyle was just sort of touching on. It's the point where

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whatever projects Mars has been working on get kind of put on

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hold or challenged or questioned in some way. So, with transits,

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I like to look at the cycle of the aspects I like to look at

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the last aspect the transiting planet made to the relevant

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planet. So the last time Mars made an aspect to your natal

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Mars, it made a Trine aspect from the beginning of March to

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the end of April, when Mars was in Gemini. So if you look back

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on that period, and maybe identify some themes that are

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connected to what Mars represents, in your chart, you

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might notice that stuff that you were working on then has been

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kind of put on hold now. If you were pushing yourself too hard,

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the Mars opposition can represent a time of of burnout.

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Yeah. I tend to agree, opposition's do have that that

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nature, nature of Saturn. I sort of think that, you know, it

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obviously depends on the planet involved. But I think that it

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kind of has that quality in part because of it being sort of a a

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ripeness or a fullness of that cycle, kind of like you finished

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your first draft and kind of submitting it for review. And

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that's when you kind of maybe become like aware of all the

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problems with Uh, you know, whatever that project is. So I

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mean, I think there's already kind of built in to the transit

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like, reassessment, you know, how am I gonna move on to the

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next phase the sort of culminating or culminating the

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disseminating phase where you kind of proceed offload, you

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know, sort of carry forward with the project.

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And act actually, I've had this transit recently, my

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Mars is in Capricorn in the seventh house. So when I was

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reading your question that made me think about my own experience

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during that transit, and also made me look back at what was

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going on the time previously, when Mars made a Trine aspect. I

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won't get into you know, the minutiae of my own charts, I'll

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just focus on, you know, Mars being in my seventh house and

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being opposed from my first house. And the previous part of

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the cycle when I had Mars Trine Mars was not long after my

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partner and I moved into a new place. And, you know, I think it

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was actually during that transit of Mars Trine, my natal Mars

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that we, you know, finally finished unpacking the living

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room, and we were, you know, becoming accustomed to a new

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routine as a couple in a new space. And, you know, that was

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all fine and dandy. And, you know, trends are often easy and

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not all that noticeable. So then when the Mars opposition comes

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around, sometimes, you know, that can represent a time of

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those things being challenged. And when Mars opposed my Mars,

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my partner got pretty sick, he's fine, everything's okay. But,

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you know, the sort of routine that we had established as a

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couple in our space, and the division of responsibilities

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that had become a routine was kind of shaken up. And I had to

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take on more responsibility, just you know, Mars and

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Capricorn. And then, you know, during that period, I also

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sustained a minor injury to my hand, and one of the extra

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responsibilities I was taking on around the house was bringing

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the chickens outside in the morning. And it's this whole

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contraption with a rope. And it's very hard to do when I

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don't have a serious injury. But it was enough, like, there's

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some bruising on my hand that it made it difficult. So it's just

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like, kind of one thing after another, that was kind of

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shaking things up in, you know, forcing me to certain Mars

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related projects that I had on the go, you know, in my work

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life, or in my personal life, were kind of, you know, delayed

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or disrupted. And I mean, none of this was, you know, a huge

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deal or anything like that, and everything is fine. But, you

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know, I don't I don't tell these stories to scare anyone, but it

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just seemed symbolically very fitting. You know, that's just

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sort of one thing after another getting in the way, we, you

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know, walls in front of you kind of experience.

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Yeah, that's making me think of, again, I don't want to

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get too off track. Because I want to, you know, we want to

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talk about like the aspect pattern in general, but I think

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with like, yeah, the Mars opposition. And that kind of

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point in the cycle, like Mars is very directed, has a goal, that

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it's, you know, can be pretty single minded. And I think the

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opposition is kind of when things catch up with Mars, you

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know, maybe when all the minutia catches up all the the sort of

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issues in details that may be hidden, hinder, or create

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obstacles. Think about it as like a, you know, with Mars, I

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always have to use like war analogies, but like when you're

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on a campaign, and you've like, invaded, you know, the enemy

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country, and you've gotten so far into enemy territory, you

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take on both land. And at that point, you have to kind of

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consolidate your resources, you know, everything's kind of all

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spread out, you know, the peasants are revolting. You

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gotta kind of deal with everything that you've gained,

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so far, before you can make any more progress.

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Well, one thing, you know, I do want to say, when

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you're looking at planets in your chart that are affected by

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transits. I think something that my example really drove home for

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me is that you're not only looking at, you know, your own

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subjective experience, and what's happening to you, but

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also the people around you, because the planets in your

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chart represent people in your life as well. And, you know,

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this this pile up of, you know, planets in T square, that are

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transiting through your chart or transiting through the angular

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houses. The fourth, the seventh and the 10th, which are the most

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I mean, for one, those are the most sort of active prominent

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areas of life. If and, you know, that can certainly represent a

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lot, if there's any tension between those three areas of

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life, those tensions can, you know, come to a head. But, you

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know, with the fourth house and the seventh Paris in particular,

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you know, those houses also relate to other people. And so,

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you know, with my experience of Mars, opposition Mars, like, my

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partner had it a whole lot worse than I did, he's the one who

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actually got sick, I was fine, you know, I had a very minor

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hand injury that has nothing to complain about. But you know,

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he, he was not having a great time. And sometimes those

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malefic transits, you know, can show up that way where, you

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know, you've got Mars in the fourth house, and Saturn is

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transiting over that which, you know, compounds the opposition,

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you know, with that sense of frustration and things being

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slowed down, or maybe burnout. But that stuff that like maybe

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roommates or family members, might also be encountering some

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of those themes in their own lives. And, you know, those

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situations in their lives also have an impact on your own. So

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that's, that's something to be mindful of, too. When you're

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interpreting transits. I think, you know, obviously, your

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experiences that you are feeling this, these themes playing out

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personally, and Mars happens to rule your first house, you know,

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so that makes a ton of sense that this would be affecting you

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on a very personal level as well. But it's worth worth sort

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of thinking about other people in your life too, and what

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they're going through and how that might be affecting how

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you're feeling.

Kyle: 00:11:36

For sure. I'd say almost more often than not, like a lot

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of like big transits, you're expecting something really

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significant for yourself, and it's just an issue that you're

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dealing with, it involves somebody else, or, you know,

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it's not always about you. But from what you've described,

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sounds like you're feeling what I think a lot of people with

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sensitive points that are being hit by this transit are feeling

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and think it, it's gonna play out very differently for, you

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know, depending on, you know, what plan is being activated.

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But I want to talk a little bit about it, kind of generally.

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Actually, Tristan, did you see that clip? Kind of going around

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on the internet? Right now? The pipeline burst, the gas line

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burst in the Gulf of Mexico?

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I have not seen it. Alright, I'm gonna

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send you a quick link.

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Is there literally fire in the water? Yes.

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So for those who haven't seen the video, there's fire

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bubbling up, like emerging from the water. But it literally

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looks like you know, there's a, like a just, you know, a ball of

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flames in the water, like the water itself is on fire.

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And I mean, if that's not when I think about the hard

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aspect, part of aspects cycles, especially those that involve

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Saturn, because Saturn represents time and the

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consequences of our actions, you know, I can't help looking at

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this and thinking is here are the consequences of our actions.

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This is that part of you know, the the narrative where what was

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done and seemed like an okay idea at the time. Turns out not

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to be such a great idea after all,

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yeah, you burning pipelines with the ocean of

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flammable gas, or oil, you know, has consequences. But I think

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what I find the most interesting about it, because when I think

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about for anybody, maybe not watching the the transits right

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now, Uranus is in Taurus, about 12 degrees, 13 degrees. Saturn

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is in Aquarius, about 12 degrees and Mars, as of today, the third

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of July. It's just separating from an opposition with Saturn.

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So the way I kind of look at it, in general, can help it like

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focus on Mars and Saturn first, because like they're the most

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visible, kind of tangible planets. Mars and Saturn deal

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with very kind of opposite principles. Not completely, but

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Mars has a lot of momentum. And it's kind of like a, like

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relentless kind of pushing forward, kind of bet at any

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cost. And so you get like sort of severing and cutting with

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Mars, it's just that's in the way, I'm going to cut through

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it. With Saturn opposing Mars. It's creating obstacles and

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barriers to Mars. And I would say that these transits, you

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know, generally come with frustration. And I'm actually

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going to nickname this one the spirit Crusher, Leo, Mars in

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Leo. It can be it's very egocentric, a very kind of

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personal drive and will and getting with you Maybe you want

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more or less at all costs, you know, Mars wants what it wants,

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right? Saturn is kind of saying now Mars, what you want doesn't

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necessarily matter or what you want is unsustainable. And

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Saturn I think, is in a stronger position overall being in its

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own sign. Mars, you can sort of do its thing and Leo but it's

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not particularly you know doesn't have any like essential

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dignity. But you know with Uranus kind of in square with

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Mars, it's really like pushing Mars forward. It's like Mars

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wants to go, go go now, you know, together, it's like just

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blasting through obstacles. But Saturn is creating obstacles

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for, for for for Mars to the blast through and I feel like

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particularly kind of at this phase in the transit, it's just

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kind of feeling like defeating it's very repressive and

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defeating kind of configuration. I can't help but think of, you

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know, Mars and Uranus keep thinking like the Kool Aid man,

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how he would bust through a wall and the party. He would like

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show up at the party. Kind of blasted rollin. Oh, yeah. And,

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you know, it was never really addressed in the commercial, but

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he's like, happy to see the Kool Aid man but reality like, Dude,

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you just blasted a hole to my house. You know, I think said

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I'm saying like, no, come through the front door Kool Aid

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man. And the Kool Aid man might just be like, huh, like, what's

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the what's even the point? Like, I can't even I can't make my

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entrance. Like, I'm not really the Kool Aid man, if I can't

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blast through the wall. I think that's what it's transit sort of

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feels like to me, it just feels like, you know, like, you don't?

Kyle: 00:16:49

What's the point? I can't bless the wall.

Tristan: 00:16:52

I think one thing too, when you're interpreting your

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own transits is to take your perfection year into account and

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to perfect not only from the ascendant, but also from the SEC

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light, whichever, the sun or the moon. You know, if you were born

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during the day, then the sun is your SEC light. And if you were

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born at night, that's the moon. And perfecting from that point

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can also tell you a lot about the themes that are

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astrologically relevant that year. And, you know, looking at

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your perfections Katie, you know, Jupiter, is your time,

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Lord, perfecting from your ascendant, and Jupiter is going

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to make their way back into Aquarius. And I've been thinking

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about this retrograde period, as you know, Jupiter kind of seeing

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that their friends are in trouble, like, Oh, crap, this T

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square is formed since I've been gone, I better go back and help

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out. So you know, maybe Jupiter moving back into your fourth

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house and getting involved in the T square can can start to

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kind of smooth things over.

Kyle: 00:18:09

Yeah, I think that that configuration needs some

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attention from benefics. And, you know, Venus is in the mix,

Kyle: 00:18:17

but it seems like Venus is a little bit too involved to

Kyle: 00:18:19

really be able to smooth anything out. She's kind of like

Kyle: 00:18:22

in the mix and like, you know, gonna be on the receiving end. I

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think we're at Venus right now is about to hit that opposition.

Kyle: 00:18:31

Yeah, it's about seven degrees. So I mean, it's on its way. But

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the thing is, now you've spotted this. Yeah, Tristan, but Jupiter

Kyle: 00:18:40

when it Retrogrades back into Aquarius. Mars is going to be

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exiting, like just the same time. But it's sort of like like

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as Jupiter makes its way back into Aquarius. It's going to hit

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that opposition with Mars, right? It's it's leaving. It's

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kind of like Mars like kicking Jupiter in the balls as he

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comes. Z shows up or you know, like walking in on an argument

Kyle: 00:19:05

or like walking in like right at somebody is storming out of the

Kyle: 00:19:07

room? You know,

Tristan: 00:19:09

I like that image a lot. Like whoa,

Kyle: 00:19:11

what happened? You know, what's the deal with the dress?

Kyle: 00:19:15

What just happened

Tristan: 00:19:16

here? Yeah, I think in the big picture sense you know,

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Jupiter is definitely going to have their hands full but I

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think at least for Katie, because Jupiter's a Time Lord,

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hopefully that provides some you know, a really it's a positive

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Omen in in your chart, Katie you know, on the larger scale,

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Jupiter is probably still going to perhaps regret walking back

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in that door.

Kyle: 00:19:42

It's kind of like a Yeah, I mean, think Jupiter would

Kyle: 00:19:44

rather stay in Pisces, but yeah, we need your Jupiter.

Tristan: 00:19:49

Please, please come help us Jupiter. Venus can't do

Tristan: 00:19:53

it alone. We need both the genetics in here to mediate this

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whole situation.

Kyle: 00:19:58

Yeah, for sure. Um, I'm kind of looking forward to

Kyle: 00:20:02

Jupiter coming back for a little bit. Kind of like all Saturn,

Kyle: 00:20:06

you know, is a little can be a little rough. Speaking of which,

Kyle: 00:20:11

I think that I mean, it's notable or interesting that, you

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know, Katie has Jupiter and Saturn in Libra conjunct

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natively. So I mean, I feel like the two are used to working

Kyle: 00:20:23

together for Katie. So, I mean, I think that I think relief is

Kyle: 00:20:28

on the way. But I would say, you know, in the meantime, sort of

Kyle: 00:20:32

my remediate of advice, you know, Mars, I think when like

Kyle: 00:20:36

Mars energy is being like suppressed, or or constrained or

Kyle: 00:20:41

restricted, which I think shows up in Katie's chart natively. So

Kyle: 00:20:47

Saturn is ruling Mars and Aquarius. There's like a kind of

Kyle: 00:20:51

a sign based Trine there, which you know, is generally a more

Kyle: 00:20:54

cooperative aspect. But Saturn, you know, without a sect, it's

Kyle: 00:20:58

exalted. But it's still you know, a little bit more

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difficult, even through trying like there is some restriction

Kyle: 00:21:06

and restraint and restraining that Mars is always gonna be

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kind of dealing with in a Saturn ruled sign, especially if it's

Kyle: 00:21:12

well configured to it. The more constructive, more positive but

Kyle: 00:21:17

maybe not always suggested, subjectively easy. I think that

Kyle: 00:21:20

restriction and restraint can build up think that it actually

Kyle: 00:21:24

it takes a lot of energy to restrain Mars. While like pent

Kyle: 00:21:30

up energy can kind of manifest as like depression, or even like

Kyle: 00:21:35

low energy, like it's, you need like a raw outlet for Mars.

Kyle: 00:21:39

Personally, my preferred method of remediation is a punching bag

Kyle: 00:21:45

I find that I sort of like opens my channels up when I sort of

Kyle: 00:21:48

lay in my punching bag and throw some some Mars energy at it sort

Kyle: 00:21:54

of like getting that raw Mars energy out to make way for you

Kyle: 00:21:59

know, a little more of a balanced you know Mark that you

Kyle: 00:22:04

can apply to writing projects are or more mundane affairs,

Kyle: 00:22:09

getting the dishes done. And you have a Saturn ruled Mars.

Kyle: 00:22:14

Granted, you have the exalted Saturn ruled Mars. I as well as

Kyle: 00:22:18

Katie, I have Mars and Aquarius. So it's a little bit more of the

Kyle: 00:22:23

challenging Saturn ruled Mars, but I do think you get similar

Kyle: 00:22:26

themes. Maybe Mars doesn't like to be as constrained in

Kyle: 00:22:30

Aquarius, I don't think it likes Air signs as much in general

Kyle: 00:22:33

doesn't really do as great with mine stuff.

Tristan: 00:22:35

I like your point about restraining energy takes

Tristan: 00:22:38

energy, and what looks on the surface, like, like calm inside

Tristan: 00:22:47

can actually feel very fatiguing, trying to maintain

Tristan: 00:22:51

that state of calm. Yeah. And I think when there is desire or

Tristan: 00:22:59

energy that wants to be expressed somehow, and it's been

Tristan: 00:23:04

held down for so long, that can manifest as that sense of

Tristan: 00:23:11

pointlessness, like I've given up caring because every time I

Tristan: 00:23:14

try to let this out, or try to get this ball rolling, something

Tristan: 00:23:19

gets in the way.

Kyle: 00:23:21

I think to you know, Katie, describing that sort of,

Kyle: 00:23:27

I don't care sort of feeling which, you know, dealing

Kyle: 00:23:31

similarly, you know, what it takes, like, some effort to kind

Kyle: 00:23:34

of get up and going. times, I think that that is sort of like

Kyle: 00:23:38

the face that we paint on Mars as I don't give a fuck energy,

Kyle: 00:23:44

you know. And I think that that's sort of what needs that

Kyle: 00:23:47

an outlet. Because I don't think that's how, you know, any of us

Kyle: 00:23:51

want to feel regularly but you know, if we don't have an outlet

Kyle: 00:23:54

for it, if we don't have an outlet for the aggression, that

Kyle: 00:23:59

Mars points to, I think with with Mars and Aquarius,

Kyle: 00:24:03

specifically, because Saturn's like so negating, and so, in

Kyle: 00:24:08

particular, an Aquarius is kind of more on the ideal plane idea

Kyle: 00:24:12

plain. Mars will just kind of say, nah, nah, I'm not going to

Kyle: 00:24:17

show up to that party. Not only like it, you know, like Mars

Kyle: 00:24:21

shows Mars in Aquarius shows aggression by walking out of the

Kyle: 00:24:24

room, which is kind of like a passive, passive aggressive,

Kyle: 00:24:28

passive aggression. So if you can find something to like, be

Kyle: 00:24:31

actively aggressive towards that safe and healthy and

Kyle: 00:24:36

constructive, think that some of that blockage will clear. But

Kyle: 00:24:40

also think that the energy is about to shift, because Mars

Kyle: 00:24:43

sort of gets away from that opposition from Saturn and hits

Kyle: 00:24:47

Uranus. Which is that is it doing that now? Is that like

Kyle: 00:24:50

exact? 21 It's on its way it's close. Really, by the time this

Kyle: 00:25:00

gets out, it'll get passed. But I think that's the point when

Kyle: 00:25:03

like Mars is kind of separating from the opposition, and is a

Kyle: 00:25:07

little more on the Uranus side, when you'll get more of that,

Kyle: 00:25:11

like, Mars energy coming through, and I think you may not

Kyle: 00:25:15

get a choice, you know, you might, if you're not finding,

Kyle: 00:25:18

like appropriate channels, you might start snapping, you know,

Kyle: 00:25:21

at people, hopefully not publicly in the 10th house. But

Kyle: 00:25:25

I did want to mention real quick, I found it really

Kyle: 00:25:27

interesting that, you know, Bill Cosby being released from

Kyle: 00:25:31

prison, when I looked at his chart, his Uranus return is

Kyle: 00:25:35

going exact, like, literally, it might even be separating from it

Kyle: 00:25:40

now, like within days of going exact. So that kind of surprised

Kyle: 00:25:45

me a little bit with like, Mars, Uranus, I mean, it seems like

Kyle: 00:25:48

kind of constraining and like, I think maybe Uranus has like, the

Kyle: 00:25:51

more, we're more dominant in the configuration, as far as Bill

Kyle: 00:25:55

Cosby is concerned, not speaking, you know, talk about

Kyle: 00:25:59

his filter, in essence, really, but you're getting more of that

Kyle: 00:26:03

liberation, and of Uranus. And I guess that's like, the big theme

Kyle: 00:26:08

is that I think that there is potential for liberation, even

Kyle: 00:26:11

in like a difficult monolithic T square, I think it's sort of

Kyle: 00:26:15

begging for something to be liberated. And that could be

Kyle: 00:26:20

more constructive or more negative, you know, maybe you

Kyle: 00:26:21

have a car. Imagine having like a car that you're leasing that

Kyle: 00:26:25

you're like, I paying way too much for this is costing way too

Kyle: 00:26:28

much money. You know, that could look like crashing it getting

Kyle: 00:26:34

out of it that way, which is, you know, a little less

Kyle: 00:26:37

productive, or you could, you know, find somebody to sort of

Kyle: 00:26:45

take over that lease for you or, you know, get sort of some sort

Kyle: 00:26:48

of trade and trading arrangement. Car Dealership.

Kyle: 00:26:55

Katie kind of brought up sustainability. Right. Did you

Kyle: 00:27:00

already say something about that?

Tristan: 00:27:01

Or about sustainability? I mean, I

Tristan: 00:27:06

mentioned burnout,

Kyle: 00:27:08

burnout. Yeah, for sure. I think that's I mean, yeah,

Kyle: 00:27:13

it's kind of like the burnout point. I think for a lot of

Kyle: 00:27:16

people.

Tristan: 00:27:18

I mean, that makes sense to like, coming to getting

Tristan: 00:27:24

to a point in the pandemic, where a lot of people are

Tristan: 00:27:27

vaccinated, and things are opening back up. Just you know,

Tristan: 00:27:33

I'm in Canada. So that's happening a little bit more

Tristan: 00:27:34

slowly here, but it is happening. All of this sort of

Tristan: 00:27:39

frustration and pressure that has built up, you know, during

Tristan: 00:27:43

that time, there is that, you know, sense of wanting to be

Tristan: 00:27:48

released and a sense of fear, and, you know, all that kind of

Tristan: 00:27:52

stuff that's happening on a collective level for us all

Tristan: 00:27:56

right now. And, you know, I think some of us, I'm

Tristan: 00:27:58

definitely, in the camp of people who put, you know,

Tristan: 00:28:01

perhaps too much pressure on myself during lockdown to sort

Tristan: 00:28:06

of make something of that time, while you know, living through a

Tristan: 00:28:10

global pandemic, which is an extremely stressful thing for

Tristan: 00:28:13

all of us to live through. So you know, that kind of pressure,

Tristan: 00:28:18

when undergoing a lot of external stress at the same time

Tristan: 00:28:22

can reach a breaking point. And, you know, sometimes when we're

Tristan: 00:28:26

feeling that, and we look at the transits, and we see things that

Tristan: 00:28:29

resonate with that feeling, it's a sign that it's actually time

Tristan: 00:28:32

to take a break. It's okay to take a break, it's okay to

Tristan: 00:28:36

relax. And, you know, with the way this is playing out in your

Tristan: 00:28:45

chart, Katie, you know, affecting all of the angular

Tristan: 00:28:49

houses, basically, you know, your identity, your home and

Tristan: 00:28:54

family, your relationships and your career in public life, and

Tristan: 00:28:57

your coworkers, all that stuff is relevant to these transits

Tristan: 00:29:03

moving through your chart. And if there is tension between

Tristan: 00:29:07

those areas of life that takes a lot of time to sort of tease all

Tristan: 00:29:11

that out. And, you know, work out your priorities, you know,

Tristan: 00:29:17

and where some of those areas of life might be interfering with

Tristan: 00:29:21

priorities and the other ones in a negative way. And it's just it

Tristan: 00:29:24

takes time, and it's okay to just take a vacation from it.

Tristan: 00:29:29

Take all the time, you need to process it.

Kyle: 00:29:32

Yeah. I think you brought up a good point about like the

Kyle: 00:29:35

pressure thing and like what kind of pressure is sustainable?

Kyle: 00:29:40

Obviously, you need like a certain amount of pressure to

Kyle: 00:29:43

propel things forward. But when that reaches like a critical

Kyle: 00:29:47

point where it's too much like gas in a pipe, it explodes and

Kyle: 00:29:53

creates a big ball of fire in the ocean. You know, Despite is

Kyle: 00:30:00

able to sustain itself. I think that that, like might tell

Kyle: 00:30:05

anybody something maybe about who has many planets

Kyle: 00:30:09

significantly configured to that pattern. But you know, there is

Kyle: 00:30:12

there's something there that needs to be released in a

Kyle: 00:30:17

constructive way, rather than destructive one. But you know,

Kyle: 00:30:21

you have to hit the release valve I suppose for, you know,

Kyle: 00:30:26

waiting for the explosion to happen, or stop putting so much

Kyle: 00:30:29

gas in the pipe. But, um, yeah, with that, we want to move on to

Kyle: 00:30:38

our next question.

Tristan: 00:30:40

Sounds good. And on the topic of Mullah fix, Keith

Tristan: 00:30:44

has just dug a 100 foot, two foot deep trench through the

Tristan: 00:30:49

yard, and is now breaking into the foundation of our house. So

Tristan: 00:30:57

it's around me Oh, and I feel great about it. Oh, he's Yeah,

Tristan: 00:31:03

running electricity out to future chicken coop. So

Kyle: 00:31:07

that's badass. That yeah, that's, that's constructive

Kyle: 00:31:12

Mars, Saturn opposition? Yes.

Tristan: 00:31:14

Yes, it is. All right. So our next question comes from

Tristan: 00:31:19

Sammy, who has a grand Trine in the water signs and their birth

Tristan: 00:31:25

chart and wants to know more about what grand trines mean, or

Tristan: 00:31:29

what their grand Trine specifically means. So a grand

Tristan: 00:31:35

Trine, you know, obviously represents a chain of support

Tristan: 00:31:40

and a chart. And while it looks very beautiful and dramatic,

Tristan: 00:31:44

something I find with trines is that they can actually be very

Tristan: 00:31:48

subtle, we have a real tendency to notice things that are not

Tristan: 00:31:53

working or that are not going well, or that are challenging.

Tristan: 00:31:57

And when things are going smoothly. There's a tendency

Tristan: 00:32:01

that we all have this is universal, I believe, to sort of

Tristan: 00:32:05

take that for granted. It's like when you get a bad flu, or bad

Tristan: 00:32:11

colds, that feeling when you start feeling better again, and

Tristan: 00:32:14

you're like, I am never going to take for granted just feeling

Tristan: 00:32:17

normal ever again. But we all do, right. Like we just we

Tristan: 00:32:21

forget how good it feels to just feel normal until we have a cold

Tristan: 00:32:26

again. So I think a grand Trine can be a little bit like that,

Tristan: 00:32:30

it can be a little quiet, it can be a little subtle, you have to

Tristan: 00:32:32

kind of do some thinking to tease out how it shows up in

Tristan: 00:32:37

your life because it's often things underlying your, your,

Tristan: 00:32:41

the structures of your life that just you know, tend to go. Okay,

Tristan: 00:32:45

and so they're hard to see. But the condition of the planets

Tristan: 00:32:50

involved in a grand Trine is also important to note because

Tristan: 00:32:55

trines are indicative of support. If you have a planet

Tristan: 00:32:59

that's in kind of rough shape and your chart, and it's

Tristan: 00:33:02

supporting a planet that's also in kind of rough shape, that can

Tristan: 00:33:06

look a little bit more like enabling than like constructive

Tristan: 00:33:10

support. Kyle, do you want to say anything sort of more

Tristan: 00:33:14

generally about the grand Trine as a configuration?

Kyle: 00:33:18

Yeah. So I think like you said, a grand Trine, you know,

Kyle: 00:33:24

points to most of the time support, like you were saying,

Kyle: 00:33:27

like, we don't necessarily know the things, notice the things

Kyle: 00:33:29

that go well in our lives as much as we notice. And the big

Kyle: 00:33:34

problems, like squares are more like direct confrontations. And,

Kyle: 00:33:38

you know, depending on the type of person you are, you know,

Kyle: 00:33:41

some people I do hear that these people exist, that, you know,

Kyle: 00:33:45

notice how, how lovely the sun is being out today, or how nice

Kyle: 00:33:49

the flowers smell. I know that those people do exist, I think

Kyle: 00:33:53

for the rest of us when something's going smoothly, like

Kyle: 00:33:58

oh, yeah, that's, that's just kind of there. But I mean, it

Kyle: 00:34:01

does speak to cooperation and support and there's kind of like

Kyle: 00:34:06

a feedback loop of it too. You know, when you see, like a grand

Kyle: 00:34:08

Trine like that, you know, I think kind of what you're saying

Kyle: 00:34:11

to like, the conditions of those planets matter a lot. But I also

Kyle: 00:34:17

believe look at reception to like, what kind of reception is

Kyle: 00:34:21

taking place those planets? I don't know if you're gonna get

Kyle: 00:34:24

into that a little bit, but it does look like there's quite a

Kyle: 00:34:26

bit of taking place.

Tristan: 00:34:27

Yeah. I will, I will start a little more generally.

Tristan: 00:34:34

And then I think move into the details because you know, you do

Tristan: 00:34:37

you want to get into the nitty gritty and look at which planets

Tristan: 00:34:40

are involved and what they're saying to each other. But I will

Tristan: 00:34:44

say sort of more broadly, that the the Trine is an aspect that

Tristan: 00:34:50

has the nature of Jupiter and so it has this quality of bestowing

Tristan: 00:34:55

blessing or favor, you know, sort of like someone in a in a

Tristan: 00:35:00

issue of great influence, or someone with a with great

Tristan: 00:35:03

wisdom, or a lot of resources is able to sort of bless people

Tristan: 00:35:08

with with this wisdom or with these resources. And you know,

Tristan: 00:35:12

you also want to look at, obviously the houses that are

Tristan: 00:35:15

involved in the grand Trine. And in Sam's case, that's the first,

Tristan: 00:35:21

the fifth and the ninth. And so what you have is a chain of

Tristan: 00:35:26

support between the first house which is identity and self

Tristan: 00:35:30

expression and personal agency, and the fifth house, which is

Tristan: 00:35:34

creativity and the ninth house, which is spirituality and higher

Tristan: 00:35:40

learning and all the ways that we sort of transcend what you

Tristan: 00:35:47

know, we're normally capable of seeing or understanding, you

Tristan: 00:35:51

know, whether that's through study or through spiritual

Tristan: 00:35:54

practice are through exploration, through travel,

Tristan: 00:35:58

that kind of stuff. So you've you've got this supportive

Tristan: 00:36:03

configuration between those three areas of your life. And

Tristan: 00:36:07

then if you want to get more into the details of what's

Tristan: 00:36:10

happening in the grand Trine, it's important to look at which

Tristan: 00:36:15

planets are earlier in zodiacal order because that's how you can

Tristan: 00:36:19

see what direction the chain of support is moving in through the

Tristan: 00:36:22

grand Trine planets that are if a if a planet is making a an

Tristan: 00:36:30

aspect to another planet, the planet that is earlier in

Tristan: 00:36:35

zodiacal order. So say for example, in this grand Trine

Tristan: 00:36:40

Mercury is in cancer, and Jupiter is in Scorpio. So cancer

Tristan: 00:36:46

is earlier in this series of signs than Scorpio is and the

Tristan: 00:36:52

planet that is earlier is going to be the one with more

Tristan: 00:36:55

influence in the configuration. So that planet is the bestower

Tristan: 00:36:58

of the blessing that's characterized by the Trine that

Tristan: 00:37:02

planet is in a position of offering help and support to the

Tristan: 00:37:06

planet that's later in zodiacal order do tend to start up, you

Tristan: 00:37:11

know, please do

Kyle: 00:37:12

I agree with that. I also I mean, I sort of look at to the

Kyle: 00:37:17

planets earlier in the dial order. It has, you know, it is

Kyle: 00:37:23

kind of the Bestower. But it also can call upon, you know,

Kyle: 00:37:26

the other planet to like it's sort of in charge, you know,

Kyle: 00:37:31

kind of like what you're saying of the nature of Jupiter.

Kyle: 00:37:34

Jupiter, often think of as is like a patron or a has a bunch

Kyle: 00:37:40

of stuff to offer wisdom, money, but they can also you know,

Kyle: 00:37:46

being the the patron or the bestower of the good can call

Kyle: 00:37:50

upon you to like, oh, I you know, hey, can you you know,

Kyle: 00:37:54

you're a musician? Can you write a song for my my niece? It's her

Kyle: 00:37:59

birthday, you know. But anyway, not to cut you off?

Tristan: 00:38:03

No, that's a really, really good point. And I'm glad

Tristan: 00:38:06

you brought that up because there is it's not like it's it

Tristan: 00:38:08

only goes one way if there's an aspect it does go both ways. But

Tristan: 00:38:12

there is one planet that tends to, you know, have this sort of

Tristan: 00:38:17

play play that role of being more of the leader in the

Tristan: 00:38:21

configuration. So if we move through the Trine in your chart,

Tristan: 00:38:27

Sam in zodiacal order, you know, we start with mercury, Trine

Tristan: 00:38:33

Jupiter. And you know, here you have mercury in the in the first

Tristan: 00:38:37

house. So there is self expression supporting

Tristan: 00:38:41

creativity, supporting artistic creativity, supporting you know,

Tristan: 00:38:48

fun and recreation. The Fifth house is the party house. It's

Tristan: 00:38:51

the fun house. It's where we do things that feel good. And then,

Tristan: 00:38:58

you know, as you move along, you have Jupiter supporting Saturn

Tristan: 00:39:03

and Saturn's in the ninth house. So you see, you know, the fifth

Tristan: 00:39:07

house this creativity, supporting spiritualities,

Tristan: 00:39:10

supporting higher learning, supporting exploration, and then

Tristan: 00:39:15

Saturn supporting mercury. And because I know something about

Tristan: 00:39:20

the context of of Sam's life, I really I'm focusing on the

Tristan: 00:39:25

spirituality signification of the ninth house here in

Tristan: 00:39:29

particular, you know that spirituality then supports self

Tristan: 00:39:33

expression supporting mercury in the first house. The most

Tristan: 00:39:38

interesting detail I've noticed about this specific grand Trine

Tristan: 00:39:43

is the configuration between Jupiter and Saturn within it.

Tristan: 00:39:49

Jupiter is actually quantifying Saturn, because Jupiter is in

Tristan: 00:39:55

you know what's called the superior position being earlier

Tristan: 00:39:57

in zodiacal order Jupiter is bestowing that favor upon Saturn

Tristan: 00:40:02

and can also ask Saturn for things. And Saturn in rural

Tristan: 00:40:09

Saturn too, and there's reception Saturn is in Pisces,

Tristan: 00:40:13

Saturn is in Jupiter sign. So that's like a very, very

Tristan: 00:40:17

positive configuration between these two. You know, Jupiter is

Tristan: 00:40:22

playing host to Saturn because Saturn is in Jupiter sign. And

Tristan: 00:40:27

because there's a positive configuration that you know,

Tristan: 00:40:30

Saturn stay in Jupiter's house is, you know, perhaps that of a

Tristan: 00:40:34

well liked guests, Saturn is going to be taken care of in

Tristan: 00:40:37

this situation. And you know, to get some details of how that

Tristan: 00:40:42

would actually look, or what areas of life to look for that

Tristan: 00:40:46

theme playing out, you know, you'd look at the houses they're

Tristan: 00:40:49

in which I've briefly touched on, you can also look at the

Tristan: 00:40:52

houses they roll. In particular, I was looking at the houses that

Tristan: 00:40:56

Saturn rules, because Saturn is the one being bonafide and

Tristan: 00:41:00

Saturn rules, the seventh house and the eighth house. So you

Tristan: 00:41:08

know, the seventh house obviously, is relationships, the

Tristan: 00:41:10

eighth house usually shows up as, you know, other people's

Tristan: 00:41:14

resources, and some darker connotations, obviously. But,

Tristan: 00:41:20

you know, those those topics are being given some support by

Tristan: 00:41:26

Jupiter. And that doesn't mean that those topics are always

Tristan: 00:41:30

easy. Jupiter's actually being maltreated through an opposition

Tristan: 00:41:36

with Mars who's the out of sect malefic So Mars is the most

Tristan: 00:41:41

challenging planet in this chart. So Jupiter, you know is

Tristan: 00:41:45

is trying

Kyle: 00:41:46

mean there is reception with that opposition. Mars rules

Kyle: 00:41:50

Jupiter

Tristan: 00:41:51

in Scorpio, yes, there is there is reception between

Tristan: 00:41:53

them. So it's, you know, a much easier opposition than it could

Tristan: 00:41:58

otherwise be. But it's still challenging. Jupiter still has

Tristan: 00:42:01

an Jupiter's retrograde. Jupiter still has, you know, some

Tristan: 00:42:04

challenges to deal with and Saturn, no matter how well

Tristan: 00:42:08

configured or well placed is a challenging planet Saturn

Tristan: 00:42:11

doesn't represent things that are easy. So it doesn't

Tristan: 00:42:14

necessarily mean that the topics of those two houses are always

Tristan: 00:42:17

easy, and being ruled by Saturn. You know, getting good things

Tristan: 00:42:23

out of those houses can still take more time, because Saturn

Tristan: 00:42:26

does not do anything quickly. And has very high standards for

Tristan: 00:42:31

you know, for what they will let into those houses in your life.

Tristan: 00:42:35

But it nonetheless is a good place to look. If you're

Tristan: 00:42:40

thinking you know, how, where do I look for support in my life

Tristan: 00:42:45

around these topics, that aspect from Jupiter can give you some

Tristan: 00:42:50

insight into things that might support relationships and

Tristan: 00:42:57

support, you know, we all end up in debt of some kind, you know,

Tristan: 00:43:03

at some point in our lives, which is something the eighth

Tristan: 00:43:05

house represents Jupiter, you know is is optimism and faith

Tristan: 00:43:12

and spirituality and because I think spirituality is a big

Tristan: 00:43:15

component of this grand Trine in general and of the relationship

Tristan: 00:43:20

between Jupiter and Saturn. You know, I would expect that things

Tristan: 00:43:24

like artistic creativity, which is in the fifth house as well as

Tristan: 00:43:28

you know, spirituality, divination, those are our topics

Tristan: 00:43:33

that would be supportive of what Saturn is trying to do in your

Tristan: 00:43:36

chart and, you know, ruling the seventh and eighth

Kyle: 00:43:40

Yeah. I guess I'm on that topic. It's making me think of

Kyle: 00:43:46

student loan debt. It's like Saturn in the ninth ruling the

Kyle: 00:43:49

eighth wonder, I wonder if there is a lot of student loan debt,

Kyle: 00:43:54

but I would tend to think that that's going to go go better.

Kyle: 00:43:59

Like you know, I would say if, you know, this person was

Kyle: 00:44:01

asking, like, I want to go to I want to study this, but you

Kyle: 00:44:05

know, I have to take on so much debt to get that degree or get

Kyle: 00:44:10

that series of degrees. I don't know if it's worth it. I would

Kyle: 00:44:12

say it's, that's probably worth it. I mean, it's probably gonna

Kyle: 00:44:16

work out. The other thing I can't help but I mean, there's a

Kyle: 00:44:20

bunch of really interesting stuff about this chart because

Kyle: 00:44:24

you know, Jupiter, so Mercury being in the first house and

Kyle: 00:44:28

that trine with Jupiter you know, there's some reception

Kyle: 00:44:30

there since Jupiter you know, exalted in the sign of cancer. I

Kyle: 00:44:37

it being in the fifth house like I know the whole configuration

Kyle: 00:44:42

like seems like really good for storytelling. Might be like a

Kyle: 00:44:46

very, like Jupiter in Scorpio for some reason I always think

Kyle: 00:44:50

of kind of like suspense, like like being I don't know like

Kyle: 00:44:57

knowing how to like foster suspense effect. We'd like

Kyle: 00:45:00

Alfred Hitchcock had Jupiter in Scorpio. I think Stephen King

Kyle: 00:45:04

did two very good storytellers. And, you know, Mercury has his

Kyle: 00:45:09

joy in the first you know, like the somebody who like likes,

Kyle: 00:45:13

likes to talk likes to and it made me more comfortable

Kyle: 00:45:18

speaking publicly. Maybe maybe not. Mercury's retrograde but I

Kyle: 00:45:26

think what also maybe reinforces that to me going off on the

Kyle: 00:45:31

wrong track but but mutual reception with mercury and in

Kyle: 00:45:36

the moon I know we're talking about the grand Trine, the Water

Kyle: 00:45:39

Trine, but there is kind of a Grand Earth trying to it's not

Kyle: 00:45:43

super tight by aspect. But there are planets in all of the earth

Kyle: 00:45:49

signs. Mars and Taurus, the moon and Virgo in the third and

Kyle: 00:45:55

Uranus and Neptune in Capricorn. There's kind of like a what do

Kyle: 00:46:01

they call that seems like a spider web or something but like

Kyle: 00:46:05

more pleasant spider web. But like the moon you know the moons

Kyle: 00:46:10

and it's joined the third Mercury's and it's joy in the

Kyle: 00:46:12

first and kind of mercury having like Jupiter to lean on can be

Kyle: 00:46:20

even like latent storytelling ability or something like

Kyle: 00:46:25

because Mercury and Jupiter both retrograde Yeah, I mean, Saturn

Kyle: 00:46:31

to being in the ninth house. It isn't kind of the overcoming

Kyle: 00:46:36

trine with mercury. But I would say that, you know, Saturn is in

Kyle: 00:46:40

pretty good condition. Gonna, you know, think traditionally,

Kyle: 00:46:43

even like mercury, Saturn aspects were to be kind of like

Kyle: 00:46:47

stabilizing, sort of give mercury, you know, more

Kyle: 00:46:53

direction a little more.

Tristan: 00:46:55

Yeah, I've something that I learned early on, in my

Tristan: 00:46:59

astrology studies, I had a teacher told me, It's better to

Tristan: 00:47:03

have any aspects between Saturn and mercury than none. Because

Tristan: 00:47:07

Saturn can really ground mercury and organized mercury. And I

Tristan: 00:47:13

also it's interesting that Mercury rules the third house,

Tristan: 00:47:17

and Saturn is in the ninth house. Which, you know, seems

Tristan: 00:47:22

like a nice aspect for someone with a great deal of spiritual

Tristan: 00:47:27

insight, but also a good student. You know, these are

Tristan: 00:47:30

both both houses that are relevant to the topic of school

Tristan: 00:47:35

and also the topic of spirituality. And Mercury's

Tristan: 00:47:39

trying to manage that third house for you. Mercury's in

Tristan: 00:47:43

charge of that. So getting some support from Saturn, especially

Tristan: 00:47:47

when Saturn's in the ninth is definitely you know, an ally in

Tristan: 00:47:53

those areas of life and will help with you know, third house

Tristan: 00:47:59

stuff and ninth house stuff and Mercury stuff. All that kind of

Tristan: 00:48:03

stuff. It's it's pretty easy to become unglued. You know, when

Tristan: 00:48:10

you're, you know, really, really stretching your mind to its

Tristan: 00:48:14

limits, whether that's through study or through spiritual

Tristan: 00:48:17

exercises or mystical experiences. So retrofittable

Tristan: 00:48:23

Yeah, I would bet yeah. So having Saturn there to ground

Tristan: 00:48:29

those areas of life and focus things I think is really, really

Tristan: 00:48:34

important. You know, Saturn is a good BS detector and can, you

Tristan: 00:48:39

know, help you with discernment and, you know, can help you you

Tristan: 00:48:45

know, when Mercury is taking on, you know, too many interests.

Tristan: 00:48:50

Saturn can kind of narrow that a little bit and keep mercury on

Tristan: 00:48:55

task.

Kyle: 00:48:57

Yeah, I think mercury in cancer to kind of tends to talk

Kyle: 00:49:00

circles sometimes. And I think that Saturn can help that out a

Kyle: 00:49:06

little bit too. You know, you know, we have these kind of two

Kyle: 00:49:09

opposition's to the moon is supplying to an opposition with

Kyle: 00:49:12

Saturn, which, you know, it's pretty challenging aspect. And,

Kyle: 00:49:17

you know, we have that Mars Jupiter opposition, but what I

Kyle: 00:49:20

like about that grand Trine, and the way it's configured to those

Kyle: 00:49:23

opposition's like, it's kind of in a position to like to think

Kyle: 00:49:26

of those you know, there's an opposition between two planets

Kyle: 00:49:29

and like a Trine and sextile respectively with another

Kyle: 00:49:33

planet. That planet can sort of serve as a mediator. Like, like,

Kyle: 00:49:42

think of, it's like translating a mediator, like, you know,

Kyle: 00:49:45

these two planets are having a conflict. And this third planet,

Kyle: 00:49:49

you know, has a more cooperative relationship with both of them

Kyle: 00:49:52

and can kind of think of like to kind of like high school, or

Kyle: 00:49:57

know like to friends or having an argument and like the third

Kyle: 00:50:00

friend can talk to both of them and be like, hey, you know,

Kyle: 00:50:03

surely, thanks. Your backflips are really great on the

Kyle: 00:50:07

cheerleading team. And Katherine's like, Oh, I didn't

Kyle: 00:50:12

know, she felt that way about me cheerleading. You know, like, I

Kyle: 00:50:17

don't know, like, they may be able to like open open dialogue

Kyle: 00:50:20

between the two of us to to facilitate it with a more.

Tristan: 00:50:24

Yeah, and I mean, just looking at the big picture of

Tristan: 00:50:26

all those aspects and how they relate to each other, you know,

Tristan: 00:50:29

the way the opposition's are getting a bit of help from that

Tristan: 00:50:33

grand Trine, and from the harmonious aspect patterns that

Tristan: 00:50:36

are going on in this chart. Makes me wonder if, you know,

Tristan: 00:50:39

maybe there's a skill for mediation, or a tendency to find

Tristan: 00:50:47

mediators when they're necessary. That that's, that's

Tristan: 00:50:51

perhaps a theme that's going on. And you know, I'd have to dive

Tristan: 00:50:55

into the weeds a little bit, you know, to dig out details of how

Tristan: 00:51:00

that might look more specifically, but just, in a

Tristan: 00:51:03

broader sense, like, could indicate a skill for conflict

Tristan: 00:51:07

resolution, or a tendency to, you know, find people who do

Tristan: 00:51:11

have that skill when it's necessary to employ it. Doesn't

Tristan: 00:51:16

mean there's no conflict. But, you know, accessing those

Tristan: 00:51:20

mediation skills, whether within yourself or from other people is

Tristan: 00:51:23

perhaps something that's helping when there are challenges in

Tristan: 00:51:26

conflict.

Kyle: 00:51:27

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I would say that I mean, it does point

Kyle: 00:51:32

to there being conflict. Yeah, but even you know what, that's

Kyle: 00:51:35

what I love about actually, some of my, like, my personal

Kyle: 00:51:40

keywords with Jupiter in Scorpio is like the gaining wisdom

Kyle: 00:51:44

through conflict. There's so much here too, that points to

Kyle: 00:51:50

like divination or, like occult wisdom called knowledge, like,

Kyle: 00:51:56

thinking to have a door at door theists. Because the Egyptian

Tristan: 00:52:03

retort is rhetorical, or as the Egyptian

Kyle: 00:52:06

Yes. Pretorius, the Egyptian says that Saturn and

Kyle: 00:52:10

mercury and aspect make astrologers. I don't know if it

Kyle: 00:52:15

you know, they have an interest in in astrology specifically. I

Kyle: 00:52:19

mean, they're asking a question to a couple of astrologers about

Kyle: 00:52:22

their charts. So probably answers that but they, you know,

Kyle: 00:52:27

they might be actually very gifted astrologers if they chose

Kyle: 00:52:31

to go that way.

Tristan: 00:52:33

Yep. Or taro or tarot, or any other form of divination

Tristan: 00:52:37

and also the eighth house connection with, you know,

Tristan: 00:52:41

Saturn ruling the eighth house from the ninth also makes me

Tristan: 00:52:46

think of mediumship Yeah, you know, talking to talking to

Tristan: 00:52:50

spirits talking to the departed, you know, feeling a connection,

Tristan: 00:52:54

spiritual connection with the departed with with ancestors

Tristan: 00:52:59

doing ancestor work, that kind of thing?

Kyle: 00:53:01

Absolutely. They're all like, very visible, that whole

Kyle: 00:53:04

configuration, it's very, it's all has, like a kind of a clean

Kyle: 00:53:07

relationship with, with the ascendant.

Tristan: 00:53:09

Yeah. Yeah. So it has a lot of opportunity to actually

Tristan: 00:53:14

be personally expressed. And there's an extent to which, you

Tristan: 00:53:17

know, I mean, if, if a grand Trine was happening, between

Tristan: 00:53:23

supporting houses, like, you know, the 11th house was

Tristan: 00:53:27

involved, and, you know, that might, the symbolism of that

Tristan: 00:53:32

might have more to do with other people or circumstances and the

Tristan: 00:53:37

environment, giving you support, and not necessarily something

Tristan: 00:53:41

that, you know, you naturally consciously take hold of.

Tristan: 00:53:44

Whereas, you know, with mercury in the first house, being

Tristan: 00:53:48

involved, there's kind of an opportunity for this grand trine

Tristan: 00:53:53

to be expressed in the personality and for, you know,

Tristan: 00:53:56

the strengths and resources that it represents. Being able to

Tristan: 00:54:00

really consciously take hold of that and like, kind of a good

Tristan: 00:54:04

sign that, you know, the decisions that you make with

Tristan: 00:54:07

your own agency are probably sound, because that's what the

Tristan: 00:54:11

first house is all about is, you know, your own decisions. So if,

Tristan: 00:54:15

you know, this is the kind of support that you know your chart

Tristan: 00:54:19

is giving you then I feel like that's that's a good indication

Tristan: 00:54:23

that like, you're probably on the right track when you make

Tristan: 00:54:25

choices.

Kyle: 00:54:26

Yeah. Yeah, I'd say that. Yeah. Can your big decision

Kyle: 00:54:30

making planets are well situated especially you know, the ruler

Kyle: 00:54:35

of the first being the moon in its joy and the third that

Kyle: 00:54:42

awesome, really badass, mutual reception with mercury. I'm

Kyle: 00:54:47

like, I love that looks. That's awesome. Again, you know what?

Kyle: 00:54:53

I'm thinking about it like you know if they're really into

Kyle: 00:54:55

tarot, maybe a lot of Tarot to me my expense So what is

Kyle: 00:55:00

storytelling? It's being able to connect you know the cards

Kyle: 00:55:04

together and pull a story out of that you know resonates with

Kyle: 00:55:08

people yeah I would say be very gifted tarot card reader if it's

Kyle: 00:55:14

something that they're into

Tristan: 00:55:16

yeah I mean the whole Major Arcana is just you know

Tristan: 00:55:19

one long narrative it's a very it's it's a divinity story art

Tristan: 00:55:25

that lends itself very well to narrative.

Kyle: 00:55:29

Yeah. Which I mean astrology I feel like is similar

Kyle: 00:55:33

to you know, oh yeah hopefully meaningful from from the symbols

Tristan: 00:55:39

Yeah, and figuring out you know, what kind of stories

Tristan: 00:55:42

they're telling you've got your characters and they're all

Tristan: 00:55:44

having their dialogue with each other and you know, how are they

Tristan: 00:55:47

moving the plot forward or you know, which which ones are foils

Tristan: 00:55:52

to the others? Yeah are always all kinds of stories going on in

Tristan: 00:55:55

a birth chart.

Kyle: 00:55:58

Just thinking at the most trying to like counteract a

Kyle: 00:56:03

little bit I can do that way my brain works like look for what

Kyle: 00:56:07

could possibly be negative about this. And the only thing I can

Kyle: 00:56:11

think of, I guess what like that, you know, grand Trine

Kyle: 00:56:13

specifically it's like the could be like, a tendency to to look

Kyle: 00:56:21

for drama in the story. I don't know create drama in the story.

Kyle: 00:56:23

I don't know.

Tristan: 00:56:27

Maybe like Saturn's. Saturn's probably gonna lean

Tristan: 00:56:30

that in? Yeah, Saturn's not very pro drama. Yeah.

Kyle: 00:56:37

Yeah, yeah, I sort of like that. I mean, I think they

Kyle: 00:56:40

could if they wanted to. Jupiter, like come on Saturn.

Kyle: 00:56:44

Let me just let me just embellish this like a little

Kyle: 00:56:47

bit. You know,

Tristan: 00:56:48

that's true. Jupiter has a lot of power here to push

Tristan: 00:56:51

Saturn around.

Kyle: 00:56:52

I kind of see Jupiter as having like the most sort of

Kyle: 00:56:55

power in that grand Trine?

Tristan: 00:56:57

Definitely.

Kyle: 00:57:00

Yeah, I mean, it'd be like the right kind of drama

Kyle: 00:57:04

just like a little suspense.

Tristan: 00:57:06

Well, in the fifth house, too dramatic. That's

Tristan: 00:57:08

that's that's about fun. Yeah, you've got it. You got Jupiter

Tristan: 00:57:12

in the fifth? Definitely, like big on Good Times. Yeah. And

Tristan: 00:57:18

with a Mars ruled fifth what those good times are might be a

Tristan: 00:57:21

little unconventional.

Kyle: 00:57:24

Yeah, for sure. Again, too, may or may not be a tarot

Kyle: 00:57:31

card reader, but they are. I've been to several. For awhile, I

Kyle: 00:57:39

wasn't going getting readings all the time. And often we just

Kyle: 00:57:43

like to I like the ones that like made it fun. I don't know

Kyle: 00:57:47

that like we're fun and easy to be with. I don't know. Like the

Kyle: 00:57:51

we're like a little too serious a little too like business like

Kyle: 00:57:56

you know, like a and then there are those that were like a

Kyle: 00:57:59

little too kooky a little too fluffy in like

Tristan: 00:58:07

little two will Yeah, and

Kyle: 00:58:09

I think that you know, with Saturn kind of in the mix

Kyle: 00:58:12

there and even like Mars that opposition with Jupiter which I

Kyle: 00:58:17

don't think is like the end of the world I would actually say

Kyle: 00:58:19

if anything like that. Martin kind of configured to all of it

Kyle: 00:58:22

like Mars is very like yeah, Taro cool. Does it do something

Kyle: 00:58:28

though? Like, does it does it accomplish a goal a task, you

Kyle: 00:58:33

kind of get like that fun. Jupiter energy that could like,

Kyle: 00:58:37

you know, make it interesting, spice it up, make it a little

Kyle: 00:58:42

you know, whatever fun sounds like that like strong spiritual

Kyle: 00:58:45

component. But you also get like a grounded kind of practical

Kyle: 00:58:48

component with Mars and Saturn. Like it's very balanced. I think

Kyle: 00:58:51

that's what I like about grand Trine is they tend to indicate

Kyle: 00:58:54

balance.

Tristan: 00:58:56

Yeah, it's it's a very self regulating aspect pattern.

Kyle: 00:59:00

self regulating,

Tristan: 00:59:01

I mean, that's, that's one of the characteristics of of

Tristan: 00:59:06

Jupiter is balance. Yeah. And stabilization, you know, with

Tristan: 00:59:14

aspect patterns that involve squares and opposition's you

Tristan: 00:59:18

know, things become unbalanced, or, you know, go to extremes

Tristan: 00:59:21

really quickly. Whereas, with a grand Trine, anywhere that you

Tristan: 00:59:26

know, something might reach an extreme it's kind of kept in

Tristan: 00:59:29

check by the configuration to the other planets so that

Tristan: 00:59:32

nothing really goes too far. Nothing really crosses the line.

Tristan: 00:59:35

Yeah, it's very moderated.

Kyle: 00:59:38

Jupiter can see everything to just about

Kyle: 00:59:41

everything. Sure, like in a day chart, you know, the more

Kyle: 00:59:44

Jupiter can see in day charts, the better

Tristan: 00:59:49

definitely.

Kyle: 00:59:52

Yeah, I mean, that's all I can really think about. Just

Kyle: 00:59:55

going off the aspect pattern in itself. It's anything you have

Kyle: 00:59:59

to add interest So

Tristan: 01:00:01

now I think I think we're good.

Kyle: 01:00:04

All right. Well, I think that we will call it a day here.

Kyle: 01:00:08

So anyone interested in a in like a full consultation, you

Kyle: 01:00:12

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Kyle: 01:00:16

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Kyle: 01:00:22

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Tristan: 01:00:31

I would listen to Oh my god. That sounds exactly

Kyle: 01:00:37

Yeah. Sounds good right now. Killer cosmos. I am waiting

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to receive a birth chart or a birth certificate for child

Kyle: 01:00:55

serial killer MaryBelle. And I'm dying to find out you know what

Kyle: 01:01:01

her birth time is? I really got to know what child zero killer

Kyle: 01:01:07

looks like. That's just me and my megalithic 10th House ruler.

Kyle: 01:01:11

But outside of that, what do you have going on? Interesting.

Tristan: 01:01:16

I am also opening up for consultations. You can find

Tristan: 01:01:22

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Tristan: 01:01:26

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Tristan: 01:01:33

So you know please feel free to check me out there.

Kyle: 01:01:38

Awesome. Well, we will sign off for today. Best of luck

Kyle: 01:01:45

to you Katie enduring the Saturn Mars. Uranus T square will pass

Kyle: 01:01:52

you so I'm telling myself that every day. Seriously, it will.

Kyle: 01:01:57

And thanks for sharing your chart with us. Sammy,

Tristan: 01:02:00

thank you both very much for your your questions.

Tristan: 01:02:03

All right. Well, we

Kyle: 01:02:04

will see you all next time.

Kyle: 01:02:11

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