The North Node and Difficult Time Lords - Astrology Hotline

Episode 20

The North Node and Difficult Time Lords

Published on: 27th April, 2022

While we work on the last leg of our astrology 101 series, we return to our usual format with a couple of juicy questions. Colin asks us to follow-up our discussion on the South Node from the episode Venus Retrograde and the South Node, with an overview of the meaning of North Node in Astrology. Angie asks us to take a look at her birth chart for an explanation of the difficult period she has been going through, and if there is any indication of an end in sight.

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Transcript
Kyle Pierce:

Hello and welcome to astrology hotline, the podcast where we answer all your burning birth chart in astrology questions, we are returning to our usual format while we prepare to record

Tristan Paylor:

Way back in the old days the early days of astrology hotline

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah. It feels like a different time even though it wasn't but I was thinking about it. And we started that series basically during the Venus retrograde and since then I have, there's like

Tristan Paylor:

I'm warning you. Not gonna be good.

Kyle Pierce:

Also joining us today is Kitsu the Dog

Tristan Paylor:

Kitsu is not happy because the hydro company is doing some work on my street right outside my window. There are people having noisy conversations outside the window and he just thinks

Kyle Pierce:

I wish that we were doing the we could just switch formats today and just do the pets episode or want to see gets us chart now because I feel like I have some feelings in common with

Tristan Paylor:

Oh, yeah, he's definitely (Barking), Yep. Are you a crotchety old man? You were quiet for 45 minutes until we started recording. All right. Well, let's plow forward.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, I think it was all just a bit of my thought about the Venus retrograde and you know, we're out of the Venus retrograde Venus is separating from Mars. And you know, just feels like

Tristan Paylor:

It's squaring my moon. And it really occurred to me that that was happening until today.

Kyle Pierce:

I forget about that moon sometimes. Try to.

Tristan Paylor:

Yeah, I don't know. I am in a weird place today. I think it's mostly just manifested as repairs needing to be done on you know, the hydro lines on my street or new hydro pole needing to

Tristan Paylor:

you.

Kyle Pierce:

Totally, I been looking forward to the Venus Saturn conjunction specifically because it marks the end of the enclosure of Venus sandwiched between, you know, pointy Mars and the Hard Rock

Kyle Pierce:

like, I need to get something done right now need to need to create get it all get it all out make up for lost time.

Tristan Paylor:

Yeah, I think that's you hit the nail on the head exactly there. Venus is normally pretty relaxed. But the feeling that I've been having around my creativity is that sort of urgent,

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Which, I mean, it's been very productive. I think for me, I've gotten like a lot of meat, a lot of stuff. gotten a lot of stuff out. But it's a lot of like, it's a lot of

Tristan Paylor:

That's me, I'm this. I'm a soothing presence.

Kyle Pierce:

I'm soothed, I imagine. And this might dip into some of what we're going to talk about first question, but I feel like you are a soothing presence, probably for the listeners as well.

Tristan Paylor:

Go ahead. No, what were you gonna say?

Kyle Pierce:

Say you don't have the A be chaotic north node quite as close to your ascendant as I do. So,

Tristan Paylor:

right, you put it right on your midheaven.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, that's right. Or the ascendant? Yeah, yeah. It's not quite as close to your your midheaven is now it's on mine.

Tristan Paylor:

It's actually, it's pretty, that's fitting was something that I learned that we will talk about, as we get more into our first question that's very, very relevant to something that I

Kyle Pierce:

Yes, yeah. We're getting ahead of ourselves, which is very north node. But um, listeners may recall that we did an episode. Actually, right before we started the astrology 101

Tristan Paylor:

Yeah, so we're today we're going to elaborate if kids

Kyle Pierce:

are interested in space, right.

Tristan Paylor:

Are you? Are you gonna let us talk about the North Node, buddy? No. They're banging outside. Now. It's not just talking. There's some kind of loud banging noise going on. Anyway. All

Tristan Paylor:

the moon will always, you know, almost always be a little north or a little south of the ecliptic. But the nodes the north and south nodes are the points where in the moon's orbit, it actually

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, it's interesting, since like, the last time that we discussed this, on the south node episode, I started noticing a lot of ancient texts, the the references to the moon. And

Tristan Paylor:

Yeah, definitely. And I think that gets to the heart of the meaning of the nodes, in a sense, because they are the points where eclipses happen. And you can kind of think of an eclipse

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, then especially when you get into the Vedic tradition of the nodes, the nodes really end up signifying, like a showdown between the luminaries, the solar lunar bodies, and this

Tristan Paylor:

Yeah, they're apocalyptic. And there's symbolism, which, you know, I think I probably talked about in the south node episode, and it's hard not to, you can't really talk about

Tristan Paylor:

Ketu, in Vedic Astrology is that of a, a demon that consumes the elixir of immortality kind of defies the gods in this great cosmic conflict. And before Vishnu is able to kill this demon, he's

Kyle Pierce:

Oh, yeah. And I love that story. And it really captures the essence of the idea of the North Node as this disembodied head that is really hungry, and it consumes and it consumes, but it

Kyle Pierce:

describe, they very much personify them. I think of like, and I've met a lot of people like this, who, like you meet, and they just sort of blast you with, like, every idea that they have. Or

Tristan Paylor:

that really fits. My image that I usually have for the nodes is of school and hottie the two great wolves in Norse mythology, who constantly chase the sun in the moon. They never catch

Kyle Pierce:

Absolutely. And it's, I've heard comparisons to like the North Node and the south node to like different planets, but then the North Node, it can get associated with Saturn, because it is

Kyle Pierce:

not very prudent, they say, it's not doesn't necessarily plan its actions out. It's following hunger, it's following impulse. It's following what, you know, it desires in the moment, but that

Tristan Paylor:

I'm just thinking about that. The shift in power, the anti establishment, anti authority, energy that you were describing, is really key to how I understand the North Node as

Tristan Paylor:

card in the Tarot is very nobody total that moment where the king gets knocked off of their throne.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah. Well, and you know very much in keeping with that North Node quality of expanding beyond its means it's it's like because it doesn't, you know plan so much it has like a goal of say

Kyle Pierce:

is this new Rebel Alliances thing? Like they just don't like the Empire? That's their thing? What are they going to replace the empire with when they take it over? Or when when they overturn it. And

Kyle Pierce:

hold on to? Let's figure that out. But they have to sort of lean into that North Node energy, sometimes it's just like, I just have to expand, I just have to get further. And then we'll see how

Tristan Paylor:

And I think that's a really good point that, you know, the North Node serves a purpose that has a function, but it only goes so far. If you need something overturned. dramatically

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, cuz I swear too much.

Tristan Paylor:

And we only get so many, right, like,

Kyle Pierce:

I know, we overdo. We

Tristan Paylor:

don't mark the podcast as explicit, we only get one F bomb per episode or something, or we have to make it explicit.

Kyle Pierce:

That's right. And I think that this could be old. I don't know if Apple still does this, but like on Apple podcasts, if you are marked as explicit, like you don't show up anywhere on

Tristan Paylor:

That's frustrating. Yeah.

Kyle Pierce:

Which I don't know if it's still the case. But anyway, well, yeah. Like the, when you're talking about the North Node, it's like, that sounds a lot like Mars. Right? And it's, I

Kyle Pierce:

nodes. But it is like sort of that like the price just rises suddenly, based entirely on people's expectations. It's not necessarily tied to the value of the company. It's tied to, oh, well,

Tristan Paylor:

I'm hungry, there, it's thoughtless. Yeah.

Kyle Pierce:

I'm gonna make some quick, easy money.

Tristan Paylor:

Totally, regardless of the consequences. Yeah, it's not the most moral thing. It's really I mean, it's at the center of the nodal axis is really just struggle for power and conflict.

Tristan Paylor:

know, what is untamed? What is chaotic. And during Ragnarok, Odin and Fenris, get into a fight and end up killing one another fenders consumes Odin, and Odin son, Avengers him against Fenris. And so

Tristan Paylor:

responsible for all of the most morally reprehensible things in the world. And my side is somehow immune to those kinds of things. There's a sort of human tendency to sort all incoming information

Tristan Paylor:

someone else's gain. And this is a feeling of jealousy and those they're, they're not good or evil. They're just what they are. They're just feelings. Yeah. That can really help sort of resolve some

Tristan Paylor:

yourself, instead of rejecting or trying to kill the lion.

Kyle Pierce:

That's a really good point. Because the nodes really do carry that like that polarizing function, which has a purpose for sure. Like if you know, sometimes, in order to change something,

Kyle Pierce:

And I know when they're in that mode, that they're not going to stay in that mode. It's like temporary, I know, I've even done that to some degree. Because the North Node is very good at

Kyle Pierce:

feeling like you belong in a certain role, maybe for good reason, because you have no experience in it, but like, you have to start somewhere. So you just you have to sort of fake, you know, your

Tristan Paylor:

Yeah, yeah, there's a big push. I think another key word that I would attach to the North Node, to both of the nodes is impermanence. And with the North Node specifically, when you

Tristan Paylor:

know, where, whether you're hungry or full. It doesn't make much of a difference to you because you're just so centered that You know, no matter how much things change around you, you're always

Tristan Paylor:

that approach to navigating the reality of impermanence. But another way of navigating impermanence is allowing it to spur you into action, which is a very north know thing to do. There's a prayer

Tristan Paylor:

the nodes can be, I think, a reminder of that, and maybe, you know, potentially an indication in a birth chart of like, hey, you know, these areas of life, maybe areas of life where you really have

Tristan Paylor:

take your relationships for granted. If the North Node is in your ninth house, like it is for Kyle, and I, you know, don't, don't take knowledge for granted, right? Like you only have so much time to

Kyle Pierce:

Don't think that you can actually learn everything?

Tristan Paylor:

That's where the North Node becomes a problem. Where are you over? You can easily overdo it with the North Node.

Kyle Pierce:

Like I find myself, I want to know all of the stuff about this every bit and like there is none that no such thing. No,

Tristan Paylor:

it's not possible. And yeah, that is the danger. And that is the danger of that approach to impermanence. Sometimes we can make ourselves anxious going like, oh God, if I you know,

Kyle Pierce:

Absolutely. I'm really glad that you're bringing up that end of it, because that is like what I think that is what you need to do with the notes. And it's all about finding that

Kyle Pierce:

you tweeted the next month and then And the month after that, you know, your new album drops. And everybody loves you again, like, it's, it's that kind of stuff, it's stuff coming up and down. And

Kyle Pierce:

important.

Tristan Paylor:

I think the celebrity example is a really good one, especially since they are the lunar nodes, they are the nodes of the moon. And so although there's some solar symbolism to the

Kyle Pierce:

And just getting too caught up in the constant change of

Tristan Paylor:

it. Yeah, yeah. Like you said, you need, finding the steel plates and detachment, navigate that successfully without going to you know, without losing yourself in it. And what was

Tristan Paylor:

that if there are excesses or ailments are struggles to be found in one sign the solution is to be found in its opposite.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah. Well, there's even like, that shows up a lot in things outside of discussions on the nose notes in like, ancient techniques, like the sabbatical releasing, I know is like part of

Kyle Pierce:

Neptune, like, right on my north node right now. And it was not a transit, I paid attention to really I was like, Oh, what's that? Like, you know, it's Neptune. And the nodes. Like, I feel like

Tristan Paylor:

This is very illuminating for me because I also I haven't really been paying attention to transits to my nodes. And Neptune's also going over my north node and Oh, my God, over

Tristan Paylor:

career itself is not going to bring me peace and satisfaction. It's doing like the South Node stuff, it's learning to let go and learning to cultivate healthy detachment and concentrating on spiritual

Kyle Pierce:

I'm sort of watching out for the Neptune Jupiter conjunction that's happening on because Tristan was born a month before me. So we basically have the same node. And I know we've had

Kyle Pierce:

over again, like you're never fully satisfied. And life is really the process of moving forward and continuing to do the things. And, you know, there isn't just like a one point, there isn't like a

Kyle Pierce:

astrology and very early on being introduced to the idea of like the North Node being what you're supposed to go towards in your life, like that's what you're supposed to go after. That's the thing

Tristan Paylor:

Yeah, I'm glad you said that. Because that has also been probably the idea that I run into the most commonly is that the south node is what you are supposed to be letting go of

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, yeah. What does that mean? They say that the, the joy of the journey is the journey or whatever. Yeah, yeah. And the North Node is not about that Northlands about the

Kyle Pierce:

already know the answer to the question. When I look at it, I don't want to do that. And then, you know, got in a huge argument about it got taken off of the Virginia trip that we had

Tristan Paylor:

on No, you couldn't go on.

Kyle Pierce:

I couldn't go on the field trip. No, no, it's good for that. But um, yeah, so I ended up realizing gently, yeah, like No, do it my way. I ended up realizing, really reluctantly, later on

Tristan Paylor:

And it's, it feels like another, you know, nodes in the third and ninth house kind of lesson because that is education. It's like that lesson, you know, I don't want to listen to my

Kyle Pierce:

That's, I think Rebel Without a Cause is the perfect description of the North Node.

Tristan Paylor:

That can be and I'm just I'm thinking now of, you know, having the North Node in the ninth house and my approach to spiritual systems where, you know, I think this one's going to

Tristan Paylor:

North Node and other houses, like in the seventh house, you know, is there a tendency to, you know, constantly be searching for the one you know, are the perfect, the perfect partner, perfect partner

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, and I think maybe with the North Node, especially for me in for you dressed in, in the ninth house, right is like kind of embracing that element of the idea that, like, you're

Kyle Pierce:

illusion that you're going to get to the finish line. And like when the fulfillment trophy,

Tristan Paylor:

I think that's a really good way to put it. And it's a good way to wrap up on that. There's the moral of the North Node,

Kyle Pierce:

I think the only thing I wanted to finish with the North Node to just the idea of, because we were talking about punk rock in the south node last time, and it was something that I was

Tristan Paylor:

You can't escape both sides of it. That's always a push and pull.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah. Well, then, are we ready to move on? Oh, go ahead,

Tristan Paylor:

I just want to mention that I will include a link in the show notes with a bunch of other resources about the nodes if people are interested. And also just some like, some stuff from

Tristan Paylor:

So if you are hungry, like the North Node for more, click that link. And I'll have a little compilation of resources available for you. All right, so I'm ready for the next question. Which I'm

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah. Well, thanks so much for sending in your question, Angie, I'm sorry, you're having such a hard time lately. I think that, you know, going over your chart, we'll do here

Tristan Paylor:

We've got quite a cardinal sign party going on. Yes, all that stuff going on in cancer and the ascendant and Mars in Libra. Although I think in terms of timing, it's the stuff

Tristan Paylor:

Angie's fourth house and the fourth house is like one of the more active central houses in astrology and fourth house years, you know, can be described as a sort of turning point, often very eventful,

Tristan Paylor:

for any of those things.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, it was quite a configuration in Capricorn in early 2020. And just having that as your activated sign is gonna bring a lot of those topics and themes. signified by those transits to

Kyle Pierce:

12th house. And mainly when we're looking at issues around health issues, health problems, my eyes neatly drawn to you know, what's going on with the sixth house. And while you don't have anything

Kyle Pierce:

be, you know, emphasize for your for you. But we also have Jupiter, early in 2020 was going through Capricorn science not super happy and in Jupiter in Virgo in your chart is not necessarily super

Tristan Paylor:

at the nodes are going through Cancer and Capricorn at that time, right? Yeah. So then you've also got a node going through the fourth house in Capricorn, which everything we talked

Tristan Paylor:

sick, that kind of you know, puts everything and life on hold or delays it.

Kyle Pierce:

One, yeah, everything in Capricorn, to me it was opposing your cancer planets, which you have Venus in cancer, which is the ruling planet of your first house. So it carries the

Tristan Paylor:

The body to right the the health of the body is also relevant to the first house so you got the Saturn Jupiter opposition kind of facing down on you know the planet that represents

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, there would have been eclipses around Venus as well as well as the moon which also carries a lot of the same significations is the first house body self sort of like a secondary

Tristan Paylor:

on the the midlife crisis piece to I'm thinking again of the fourth house and that turning point signification going through a phase of life, and then kind of hitting a crisis point.

Tristan Paylor:

got the moon in cancer right on the midheaven beautiful penthouse. Yeah, I mean it's it's very lovely and I imagine it's very lovely for you know, other people who you know, want their needs to

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, absolutely, that's a really good point. Because that fourth house year, having everything in Capricorn, just opposing everything in cancer, it's like, that like ability to be the

Kyle Pierce:

of pressure to be put under. And then when you're already, you know, going through health issues as well. It's like, enough's enough, right?

Tristan Paylor:

Yeah, totally. And then when you know, that perfection year ended, it's almost like there isn't much of a break. Because you know, the way the Zodiac works is that one Saturn ruled

Tristan Paylor:

really do much. And, you know, certainly health issues are one of those situations in life where, you know, it can feel kind of like being stuck in a waiting room, like, there's lots we would like

Tristan Paylor:

doing anything else. But that but those kinds of activities are all sixth house related.

Kyle Pierce:

Oh, yeah. But I mean, there's a positive element to that, too, is that while the sixth house tends to indicate illness in areas that were vulnerable to illness or injury, where we also do

Kyle Pierce:

going to go into a seventh house here, which is finally going to take the pressure off of your 12th house, you're going to be moving from a 12th house space, operating from a 12th house space of, you

Tristan Paylor:

Yeah, it is very interesting. And I mean, I, you know, I'm very, I'm always hesitant to do any sort of prognosticating because, you know, there's no way of knowing for certain how

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, definitely. It had minimum been different. I mean, it's, it may have other challenges of its own. But I would say that I like planets in the in the first house better than the

Tristan Paylor:

Yeah, you're not hiking through 10 feet of snow anymore.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah, yeah, I

Tristan Paylor:

think that's a really good point about this, the sixth than the 12 houses is that when we're in those places, we don't necessarily feel like we have as much control over our external

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah. That seems to be kind of indicated as well in the chart, because you do have this what we would call a mutual reception by exultation between Mercury and Jupiter, where Jupiter is in

Kyle Pierce:

consume and incorporate into your own life. So that could have been a major theme as well throughout the last few years is like finding ways of coping with the challenges that you've been dealing with

Tristan Paylor:

I an acquaintance of mine is a member of Buddhist order. And she practices regular meditation. And I remember her telling me the story about how she came to this particular Buddhist

Tristan Paylor:

of life, but my attitude towards it changed. That was the thing that changed. And she was, you know, able to cope with the circumstances of her life. So I thought, I always thought that was a really

Kyle Pierce:

Oh, yeah, sixth, and 12th. Really, I mean, it's about accepting the things that you can't change. And really, it's through accepting it that you often can, or just deal with it in a

Tristan Paylor:

Well, another thing I noticed, too, about Jupiter, who is Angie's Timelord, this year, it's the sixth this year, the sixth house, Nanji stars Pisces, you know, and Jupiter is in the

Tristan Paylor:

people's expectations. And if you know something in our inner lives, or in our personal lives, you know, down in the fourth house area of the chart changes. Sometimes people that we encounter in that

Tristan Paylor:

those sort of like, major crises at different age points in our lives, there's often that sort of crisis of identity of like, who am I? Who do other people expect me to be and can I continue to,

Kyle Pierce:

Definitely. And I mean, it could be a theme that sort of come up When you get a planet in the 12th house that has that really nice mitigation like that, that connection with the

Kyle Pierce:

becoming too burdensome or too, too heavy. Maybe you're just overdoing it over stretching yourself. Having Mars in the first house can often indicate that that overdoing it quality. So just thinking

Tristan Paylor:

And imagine it's not easy for Mars in the first house person to sit still all the time. Yeah, that's a very placement like it's time. Oh, yes.

Kyle Pierce:

That could be like maybe one of the takeaways from the last few years is like the the lesson that like oh, yeah, I have to rest I have to 12th house. I have to listen to tend to my

Tristan Paylor:

Does does the house of sleep.

Kyle Pierce:

Yeah. Oh, yeah. And what's having like the Jupiter in the 12th. And Mars, Mars being a more challenging planet during the day and the first and then Jupiter being a very positive planet

Tristan Paylor:

I mean, they, you know, the flip side maybe is that it's not always, I mean, I guess you know, the first house is our agency. But I also think you know, and I see a prominently placed

Tristan Paylor:

hope you got people around you who can support you and help take care of some of those responsibilities and tasks, so you can get some well deserved rest because being a single parent is

Kyle Pierce:

Oh, yeah, yeah, I struggle with this all the time, where I actually do have a lot of things that I have to do. And it is hard to find the time to rest. But I know that I get in my own

Tristan Paylor:

thanks thanks again for your question Angie and for sharing your chart with us and I sincerely wish you all the best and hope that your upcoming Mars year things get a little more fun

Kyle Pierce:

Rest up before it starts. But yeah, definitely you know and stay in touch. Let us know how things go. And speaking of which, we we had Jessica for Um, an episode we did shoot, when was

Kyle Pierce:

hear how things pan out for people,

Tristan Paylor:

it was really lovely to hear back from Jessica, it's, it's really nice to, you know, as an astrologer, you often hear from people when they're going through something rough. You know,

Kyle Pierce:

Oh, yeah, totally. You know, it's, you know, people tend to come when they're going through the struggles. And while you might see things getting better, you don't necessarily hear

Tristan Paylor:

And no, not really, I'm not doing consultations anymore, for the time being, because I have the North Node close to my midheaven. And Neptune is transiting through there. Apparently, my

Kyle Pierce:

god. Yeah, well, I um, I definitely want to be seeing some of the fresh Tristan art. Hopefully, we'll see some of that on Instagram or, or some new Instagram, maybe, yeah, you can come

Tristan Paylor:

I know I'm proud of that name. And I am not going to be able to I don't I don't think I'm going to be able to one up that with an art account. So I'll probably I'll probably keep

Kyle Pierce:

design. Sound design? Yeah.

Tristan Paylor:

I do keep a Grimoire. of planetary magic that I do. And you know, still actively practicing planetary magic. So I'll probably still post some pages from that up on my astrology

Kyle Pierce:

Well, it's for me, I am still offering consultations on my website, Kyle Pierce astrology.com. Let's see. I know that I already mentioned that the Neptune on my north node is

Tristan Paylor:

I hope so. All right.

Kyle Pierce:

Is there anything else we want to add? Totally check out. If you'd like talking astrology one on one about astrology or Tarot. Check out the three of wands club on the clubhouse

Kyle Pierce:

see you all next time.

Tristan Paylor:

And thank you, Colin and Angie for your fantastic questions.

Kyle Pierce:

Yes, thank you Colin.

Tristan Paylor:

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