The Planets I - Astrology 101

Kyle Pierce: 00:00:05

Hello and welcome to astrology hotline, the show where we answer your birth chart and astrology questions. This is the first in a series of episodes where we are going to cover the

Joe G.: 00:00:22

Hello. Hello. Hello. Thanks for having me today.

Tristans here too. (Tristan:: 00:00:24

Yeah, I'm just hanging out) So want to tell us a bit about yourself, Joe G.?

Joe G.: 00:00:31

Yes. Um, so I am of course an astrologer. But also, musician, so in my practice, I try to kind of blend both of them maybe work on towards making some talismanic music in the future of some

Kyle Pierce: 00:00:52

Awesome. I think it'd be cool to get a reading where like, somebody does your reading, but they do it like a bard. You know, like they sing your reading to you.

Joe G.: 00:01:05

Ah, I would love to.

Kyle Pierce: 00:01:09

Nobody else is offering that as far as I know. You got corner the market.

Joe G. that is very true. Actually. My teacher offers that if anyone's ever interested in (Kyle:

: 00:01:12

okay, you gotta tell me who now.) Oh, yes. My teacher is a Gemini Brett. He does. He offers soul songs. Which What's your what he collaborates with This pianist called Eric Deutsch. (Okay.) And he

Kyle Pierce: 00:01:49

That sounds awesome. I actually will have to check that out. You guys. I don't know. Do you guys watch the Witcher? (Joe G.: I played the game.) that the game was amazing.

Tristan Paylor: 00:01:59

Yeah, I've watched my best friend play the game all the way through. But I haven't watched the show.

way through. Wow. (Tristan:: 00:02:03

Most of it. Yeah.) It's like 120 hour game.

Tristan Paylor: 00:02:09

Yeah, well. It was fun to watch. It's a no, it's a very engaging story.

Kyle Pierce: 00:02:16

Oh, yeah. Well, and I read the books and I'm a huge fan of the series. So I'm really pumped about the next season coming out. Actually, I think is that's gonna be right around the

Tristan Paylor: 00:02:56

I love it. I'm like Team Dad, you're back on track. All right, well as as team dad slash slash team, Team Saturn. Today, as the beginning of our astrology Basics series, we're going

Tristan Paylor: 00:03:27

What do the planets look like? How do they behave? Yeah,

Kyle Pierce: 00:03:27

Yes. Yeah, I tend to think that you could and actually originally, like in ancient ancient practices of astrology, it was just like the planets, you know, without the signs. And you

Kyle Pierce: 00:03:52

Yeah, exactly. How

Tristan Paylor: 00:03:53

close are they to the sun? You know, when do they go retrograde? All that kind of stuff? Yeah. Yeah. And we'll

Kyle Pierce: 00:03:59

Yeah. And we'll do our best to give a really general but, you know, maybe foundational sort of look at, the significations of the planets and why they mean those things.

Tristan Paylor: 00:04:14

I've probably helped to start by defining what we mean by planet because the astronomical definition of a planet and the astrological definition of a planet are not always the

Kyle Pierce: 00:04:58

You just have to break down Now we're going to be doing this is we're going to be following the ancient teaching tool known as the themea Mundi. Do either of you know what the thema

Tristan Paylor: 00:05:13

Set chart of the world? Yeah, I think, yeah. Monday is world famous for

Joe G.: 00:05:18

our chart.

Tristan Paylor: 00:05:23

Something of the world

Kyle Pierce: 00:05:25

Yeah. Yeah, the birth chart of the world itself, which is the thema mundi, the rising sign of the world, or Cosmos, or whatever is cancer and (Joe G.: the best sign.) very

Tristan Paylor: 00:05:43

Wondering if before we jump into the thema mundi, maybe we should go over just a few more sort of basics about the role of planets and where they get their meaning and some of that kind

Kyle Pierce: 00:06:21

I like the use the word actors, because without the planets, yeah, you just have like a stage. You might have some nice scenery might have a nice set, but you don't have any actors. So

Joe G.: 00:06:44

I've watched it. I've never yet been in it.

Kyle Pierce: 00:06:47

Yeah, I've never done it either. Not too scary. But yeah, but they're just, they're just act like they're acting out stuff. There's no, there's no scenery or anything, they're not even

Joe G.: 00:07:10

But there's also like this idea, I forget, like, what school of thought it really comes from, but I'm gonna say it's like, from around, like, fifth century, some small cult or whatever.

Tristan Paylor: 00:08:06

Yeah, I like that. Love that. Yeah. And they, they create the, the cycles in astrology, right, like the sun and moon, you know, the sun being the seasonal cycles, and all of

Tristan Paylor: 00:08:58

signs, what you're paying attention to is the movement of the planets against them. And not necessarily just, you know, the signs, the signs themselves are not as ominous as the the wandering

Kyle Pierce: 00:09:13

Yeah. I'm gonna tell quick story. No, it's too long story, but looking at the sky, and like paying attention where planets are like, when you see, you know, the moon next to Venus in the

Joe G.: 00:10:11

Right? Definitely. I for one didn't even know you could see planets until I became an astrologer. Like, I think my first experience of like seeing, I think it was Venus was the first

Kyle Pierce: 00:10:39

Yeah, I can only imagine being an ancient person. And you just like, stare at the sky. But you and you just notice at some point, like, Oh, that one keeps moving, that one keeps moving.

Tristan Paylor: 00:11:06

Then you wonder, well, what does that mean? For me? Like, is that telling you something? And that's, that's

Kyle Pierce: 00:11:12

such a human thing is, it's something?

Tristan Paylor: 00:11:17

Where am I in all this?

Joe G.: 00:11:19

My friend who's not an astrologer said this to me, one of these days, and I thought it was like the best thing I've ever heard in my life. It was just like, above the sun, and just like

Tristan Paylor: 00:11:45

That's a good segue into sort of answering the question of where do the planets get their meaning in the first place? Because obviously, you know, we've spent 1000s of years looking at

Tristan Paylor: 00:12:46

the planets were associated with. So that's a good source of meaning for them.

Joe G.: 00:12:52

And that's a good thing to mention, too, because I think that a lot of people who are just coming into astrology, they have this assumption that some astrologers see the planet as like the

Tristan Paylor: 00:13:11

Yeah, and the ancient Greeks had like, as you know, they had quite a catalogue of spirits. And the planets had a number of names, like there was the name of the God that were

Kyle Pierce: 00:13:51

kind of in the Greek cosmology, the planets were more messengers of the gods, in a sense, like the Zodiac itself was like the god part, you know, and the planets were sort of the

Tristan Paylor: 00:14:20

Yeah, they're like mediators.

Joe G.: 00:14:24

Especially because platonic thought was like such a big thing too. And they have like the whole concept of like the world the forum's versus, like, the carnal universe, that we're here and

Kyle Pierce: 00:14:59

Yeah, that that ends up being how I see it really two planets is the especially the visible planets is that they're, they're talking about stuff that is actually, you know, showing up

Tristan Paylor: 00:15:28

And they're sort of their visibility as how apparent they are in the sky, also as a source of meaning, in that sense, where, you know, the moon being extremely close to us, gets some

Joe G.: 00:16:17

Right. And that's a thing that always makes me think about, like, the whole conversation about people moving to Mars, and all of that, because then we'd be bringing, what is it, Neptune and

Kyle Pierce: 00:16:49

that's, I hadn't ever thought about that, actually, that you're in this wouldn't have to be visible from Mars. Uranus would be. So that's actually a very interesting idea. I know I think

Joe G.: 00:17:27

would that be a good idea? Because sereis doesn't really have too many asteroid protection.

Kyle Pierce: 00:17:33

I mean, I think it will I think it I don't know. I don't know enough about about series, but I know it has a ton of water. And it's actually in the show, it's very important

Tristan Paylor: 00:18:10

I was actually thinking about this yesterday, because I was, you know, speaking of the source of meaning for, for the planets, the source of symbolism. Mars is kind of a funny case,

Tristan Paylor: 00:19:10

So it's sort of like, acting like Mars would result in us having to like, take this extreme, which is a very Marsing navigation and move all the way out there. And, you know, try and survive in you

Kyle Pierce: 00:19:55

Next week down astrology hotline, our special guest, Elon Musk will be here to do We'll all be living on Mars. It's a really good point, though, and it would actually be a very Marshall

Tristan Paylor: 00:20:19

Right? Should we maybe move on to our more general overview and maybe we can talk about sect and then start getting into the the thema Mundi and all that good stuff. Yeah. So one of

Tristan Paylor: 00:21:36

you know beginning a trend that if you study astrology long enough you will discover comes up over and over again Mercury just doesn't follow the rules and plays for both teams

Joe G.: 00:21:46

that's the way to live

Kyle Pierce: 00:21:52

I was very close to being a Gemini rising. Just missed it by like 20 minutes

Tristan Paylor: 00:21:57

the world could not have handled me as a Gemini rising I already have the mercury in the 10th house it's the most elevated planet in my chart.

Joe G.: 00:22:05

That's cool.

Kyle Pierce: 00:22:09

Well, so maybe we should break down you know, the daytime sect traditionally is the sun for obvious reasons, and then have Jupiter as the daytime Pacific and Saturn as the daytime malefic

Joe G.: 00:22:35

And the whole malefic benefit thing is always super interesting because you'd expect especially Mars and Saturn to to be flipped. Because Saturn of course is cold, certain things. cold

Kyle Pierce: 00:23:38

Yeah, I am not an expert on actually read a lot of comic books. But I like to think about it as I know at one point like Magneto was a good guy, right?

Joe G.: 00:23:51

I think so. Yeah, ecology, you

Kyle Pierce: 00:23:53

guys know that. I remember. Yeah, at some point, he was kind of a good guy. But then at some point, he got like, turned to a bad guy. And I think that it's kind of like how I like to think

Tristan Paylor: 00:24:36

Yeah, they're a little more a little more moderate and a little more balanced when they have that sort of opposing quality to balance them out a little bit. Yeah, feel like it might

Joe G.: 00:25:04

And that's also a thing that many people don't like to use because of just the word itself. malefic seems very scary.

Kyle Pierce: 00:25:13

Yeah, I didn't like it at first for a long time either. And I think once they started really getting that one, Mars and Saturn can be more challenging, but then you kind of connect it

Tristan Paylor: 00:26:08

Yeah, I tend to define the Netfix as the planets that have the power to support and unify and harmonize and affirm which, you know, generally, we prefer those experiences, whereas the

Tristan Paylor: 00:27:16

it all together. And it being all nicely adhered. And, you know, knocking it over and starting again, with potentially a new and better project. So you know, the, the word malefic sounds scary.

Kyle Pierce: 00:27:51

you think of like a hammer. It's a melodic instrument, you know, you don't give it to a baby to play with in their crib. And you can, you can bludgeon someone to death with a hammer, but

Joe G.: 00:28:06

also about just like the whole idea of the wheel of fortune, just the fact that like, for somebody to be on top of the wheel, somebody's gonna have to be at the bottom. And that's the thing

Kyle Pierce: 00:28:49

Yeah, it is always relative to me, even with saying about, like, you know, what, for one person to be on one side of the wheel of fortune, you know, someone else has to be on the other

Tristan Paylor: 00:29:41

thing, you know, unless we have more to say about sect or the distinction between phonetics and mil FX. Maybe we should jump into that SEMA Monday and talk about you know, what's

Joe G.: 00:29:56

Actually, there's a thing that we haven't really mentioned just because we kind of brush through like mercury being like playing for both teams? Oh yeah, I think it's also important to say

Kyle Pierce: 00:30:32

yeah. I'm glad you brought that up. And I figured we'll probably get more into that as we talk about mercury and even the moon to some degree to yes, they both have this similar, similar

Joe G.: 00:30:46

think the sun to both the moon and the sun can be malefics and benefics, depending on the case.

Kyle Pierce: 00:30:51

I agree. Yeah, it because you get really different ancient astrologers, like everyone wish are said that the sun is a genetic, which in the sense that you know, it's the life giving

Tristan Paylor: 00:31:13

Yeah, the sun is good. If you're at just the perfect distance from it for it to create life. And if you're anywhere else, it's too hot or too cold, you know, so it's, it's touchy.

Kyle Pierce: 00:31:38

But the moment you write, I'm gonna pull it up here.

Joe G.: 00:31:41

Yeah, Moon time.

Tristan Paylor: 00:31:44

Moon time, best time. depends,

Kyle Pierce: 00:31:47

depends on the moon.

Tristan Paylor: 00:31:56

And I think it depends is a very good key phrase for the

Kyle Pierce: 00:32:00

habits nap yet.

Tristan Paylor: 00:32:05

So we have the you know, what is called the birth chart of the world. And we will have a visual of it in the show notes if people want to take a look at it. And what the thema Mundi

Tristan Paylor: 00:33:18

responsible for giving light and power to the whole system. And then you know, the other planets are arranged based on their relationship with the sun. And that's how they end up getting you know,

Kyle Pierce: 00:33:38

One of you might know, like, the bedtime story version of the moon Monday, better than I do. But I think it was something like the, you know, the sun showed up in the solar system, and

Tristan Paylor: 00:34:07

Yeah, so it's, it's from Persian astrology. Right? Am I getting that right? Or it's sort of a narrative of how the theme of Mundi arranged itself and yeah, the basic, the basic problem

Kyle Pierce: 00:34:28

Yeah, it goes in order from each planets, you know, distance from the sun actually ends up being like very elegant. And I believe that part of the justification for cancer being the rising

Joe G.: 00:35:00

Area Celaya Yeah, exactly.

Tristan Paylor: 00:35:02

Yeah. And Sirius was in cancer. So it would be that sort of time. Yeah. That was seen as the life giving time. And cancer would be on the ascendant because Sirius would be rising

Kyle Pierce: 00:35:19

I also, you know, one of them being a cancer rising, I like that cancer rising as the first the first house of the world and in the sense is that, you know, the moon signifies bodies,

Joe G.: 00:35:35

And I think like, I think one of the the main ideas to with the moon and this idea of like, the moon being so close to two ideas centered around the body is that one of the big things and I

Kyle Pierce: 00:36:34

well, like the nature of of our lives is that they're impermanent, you know, that they, we go through a cycle, you know, we were born and we go through many cycles, many stages, and then

Tristan Paylor: 00:36:48

Yeah, I love that. And also just that, you know, sort of meeting the Ascendant is the meeting place of the ground with the sky, it is the horizon. The first house represents that

Kyle Pierce: 00:37:09

Yeah. Yeah. So should we officially start talking about the moon this point?

Joe G.: 00:37:18

Oh, I thought we were.

Kyle Pierce: 00:37:23

So the moon, basic significations for the moon. What do you guys got keywords?

Tristan Paylor: 00:37:29

Caregivers, nurturing, you know, what? What provides sustenance for life and comfort makes life comfortable

Kyle Pierce: 00:37:37

home and family.

Joe G.: 00:37:40

One thing that I always like to bring up with the moon, because it often gets attributed to Venus, I think is also just the idea of like dance and flexibility. Because the moon has this whole

Tristan Paylor: 00:38:02

This is why as a cancer rising, I cannot sit still.

Kyle Pierce: 00:38:08

Yeah, I think it's a good point. The changeability of the moon is very important. Stability even and receptivity.

Tristan Paylor: 00:38:17

Yes, that's the the one that receives the sun's light and reflection, you know, as another quality of the moon that it reflects light and reflects what's going on around it. Yeah, I

Kyle Pierce: 00:38:49

Yeah. This is why I like thinking of the moon as is just like the body part of being a person formerly, which I mean, you get your, like your chemistry, you know, like your brain

Tristan Paylor: 00:39:21

Right? Definitely.

Joe G.: 00:39:23

I think also, no, just with the idea of flexibility to just like the idea of like shape shifting like we were saying like being with kings and being with the peasants. It's like, the moon

Kyle Pierce: 00:39:34

I definitely think cancer risings probably find it easy. And I just noticed whenever you're in a group of people, you just sort of naturally respond to the way other you know you pick

Tristan Paylor: 00:40:01

And that it lends itself to the symbolism of comfort and familiarity that goes with the moon lunar people make you feel at ease and make you feel comfortable and the way that they can

Joe G.: 00:40:41

I love that though. I drag it out of people.

Tristan Paylor: 00:40:45

I have no problem with it.

Joe G.: 00:40:48

Tell me like no small talk, please. Oh, yeah, I cannot handle that.

Kyle Pierce: 00:40:52

Only tell me your most deep personal traumas. 100%.

Joe G.: 00:40:57

And also, one thing that just came up too, because now that we have Neptune Neptune gets a lot of those significations. But traditionally, the moon was the planet associated with illusions in

Tristan Paylor: 00:41:34

yeah, I think it's important to remember that werewolves are lunar creatures, even on the symbolism of transformation and nighttime, but it's actually kind of terrifying. Yeah.

Kyle Pierce: 00:41:44

Well, yeah, and you do get a lot of No, you can get like desire and stuff from Venus and Mars, but I mean, the moon, it's like, you know, being hungry, you know, the things that you you

Joe G.: 00:42:31

Right? Yeah, hunger

Tristan Paylor: 00:42:33

is a very good lunar word. It's also a good werewolf. Yeah. And it all ties together or it's like, that's the extreme of the Moon is the extreme hunger and the sort of the recognition

Kyle Pierce: 00:43:01

Yeah. And I mean, your hungers and desires can lead you in, you know, to success. It's a kind of drives you to do stuff and go out there and get things and achieve things. But it can

Joe G.: 00:43:24

Right. And I think one of the things too, that's important to mention with the moon is just the idea of like a waxing moon versus the waning moon. And yeah, that's the thing that every planet

Tristan Paylor: 00:44:11

I'm thinking of containers as well as being another the moon symbolizes containers. And even when you look at the crescent moon, it literally looks like a cup. And so as the moon waxes

Joe G.: 00:44:27

And that also I like how you say that because containers are also like a very Saturnian thing. And yet we can see like the, like the parallels between moon and Saturn even though like

Tristan Paylor: 00:44:59

ya. That's a very good point. Even their, their glyphs are similar, where Saturn has that crescent shape, and its glyph. And the moon looks like like the Glyph of Saturn looks like a

Kyle Pierce: 00:45:15

Yeah, I kind of like to think of just like seeing the crescent moon to it's like a scooper, you know, like, to bring things up. And I like to think about that with like, the cycle is

Tristan Paylor: 00:45:57

yeah, comes up quite a lot in the medieval tradition, I think in connection with with wealth. And I mean, it is also we tend to think of the sun and Jupiter as representing

Joe G.: 00:46:56

One thing that I also like to think about whenever I'm talking about planets, because that's a major piece of how I interpret planets and signs is also just taking into consideration

Tristan Paylor: 00:47:34

and can mucilage the plants there's that sort of thick, liquid gel like liquid that occurs in some plants. And it can actually be used in herbal medicine to sue this sore throat and

Kyle Pierce: 00:47:54

So think of like things that you get like sensitivity, but like things that require specific conditions. Like you know, the skin, people, some people have, like, very sensitive skin

Joe G.: 00:48:44

And just beginning of like bodies and things like that. I always I just I just remembered how, like Jupiter who's exalted by the moon because the moon rules cancer. Out of all the body

Kyle Pierce: 00:49:27

that's a good point, too. And actually makes me want to maybe reference because, you know, not everybody, especially nowadays uses the, you know, the masculine feminine distinction. And

Tristan Paylor: 00:49:50

Yeah, the moon was a god and the sun was a goddess. Yeah, and Norse and Germanic mythology. Same thing in Japanese, I think Like to Yeah, that's right. It's a sun goddess and in

Kyle Pierce: 00:50:05

I think that I mean, the moon tends to, like we've already kind of, you know, reference a lot of those qualities that the moon has, or signifies that we tend to associate with, with

Kyle Pierce: 00:51:08

as you know, the sun does, it's the center of gravity, you know, that we all rotate around in the moon is like out there kind of collecting and doing things, but the sun is there as like the stable

Joe G.: 00:51:20

Right. And I think even in the orphic him actually, they refer to the moon as like, female and male. Like, that's like one of the lines. Yeah,

Tristan Paylor: 00:51:31

that's my favorite line in any of the ortho camps. I always I try to read that during full and new moons. And it always makes me happy. I'm like, I'm a cancer rising. You

Kyle Pierce: 00:51:45

Well, no, yeah. And everybody like has, you know, both masculine and feminine qualities are whatever, you know, I think of like the Inuits have like 30 different words for the color of

Joe G.: 00:52:22

right. But this is probably going on attention. But since we're talking about planets, it's probably important to mention, because even like Venus is said to be masculine when she's like,

Tristan Paylor: 00:53:16

Yeah, yeah, I think like the sign that they're in as well as, like, you were saying, if they're in a morning or evening part of their synoptic cycle effects, you know, in ancient

Joe G.: 00:53:34

So I guess for the listeners a good way of like, distinguishing the moon, like from like, her masculine face to her feminine face, like how do you guys how would you guys do that? Would you

Kyle Pierce: 00:53:52

I mean, I guess I, I wish that we had, you know, maybe more words, to recognize the different shades of it. But I mean, I guess, you know, they have the qualities that maybe we

Tristan Paylor: 00:55:04

Yeah, I've completely thrown out masculine and feminine from my astrology vocabulary. Because really like, yeah, like, what more? Well, it's yeah, it's just like there are so

Tristan Paylor: 00:56:10

extroverted. And people who are more mask identified can be super inward focused and reflective, like it's not necessarily a gender thing. It's just a state of being Yeah,

Joe G.: 00:56:19

cool. Do you do you use, like, diurnal nocturnal?

Tristan Paylor: 00:56:25

I do like diurnal? Sometimes, yeah. Yeah, that's, yeah, that's what I've been using for polarity. And dividing up the signs, I use diurnal or nocturnal,

Kyle Pierce: 00:56:36

or just like maybe, like inherent receptivity. Like if it's a more of a receding, active or an active, forceful planet, you know, putting things out or is it bringing things in?

Joe G.: 00:56:52

Yeah, cuz I think diurnal. And nocturnal also really embodies all of those keyboards in the same way with just with a different word, like, at night you sleep, you're more passive. During the

Kyle Pierce: 00:57:06

yeah, more relaxed. You know, I love the nighttime because you can, that's when uh, you know, I do the most reading or watch some Netflix or something like you're, you take in, take in

Tristan Paylor: 00:57:24

I think one final thing I think I'd like to say about the moon, you know, in terms of what it represents, and what it can represent in a chart is, you know, related to its quality of

Tristan Paylor: 00:58:26

this information from our senses, and our minds, our bodies are processing all of that information. And, you know, when you are trying to solve a problem, you can often only get so far using that

Kyle Pierce: 00:58:56

that's actually a really glad you referenced that. Because a big component of the moon is memory. Literally sleeping is how you your brain like locks in all the information that you

Joe G.: 00:59:46

goes back to what we were saying about the moon is like a container like it's the thing that contains all those memories and all of those experiences.

Kyle Pierce: 00:59:55

The container the collector,

Tristan Paylor: 00:59:58

on the the earlier Topic of bending rules and defying categories and coming up with new ways to categorize things. Should we maybe move on to Mercury?

Kyle Pierce: 01:00:08

We're gonna do Mercury before the sun.

Joe G.: 01:00:12

Second best one.

Tristan Paylor: 01:00:14

Right, we're following the theme. Now, you're right. No, I was I was going in the Chaldean order. And we were going by the screw this up, going. Oh,

Kyle Pierce: 01:00:26

oh, yeah, we'll talk about the sun, I guess. Yeah, Brenda Joji has the sun right on the first house, right?

Joe G.: 01:00:34

Yeah, right at the ascendant.

Tristan Paylor: 01:00:37

So say that you're the most qualified to introduce this and

Kyle Pierce: 01:00:40

moon and Leo as well. So

Joe G.: 01:00:42

that's true. Well, Mmm hmm. How do I like to think of the sun. And that's the thing that I wrestle with a lot just because thinking about rulership and domicile. And not just because I have

Joe G.: 01:02:04

one of the things that's really connected with the sun as mirrors, so I think like the sun, as much as it's the thing emanating the light, it still needs that a little bit of like that reflection to

Kyle Pierce: 01:02:45

that was a great introduction. Beautiful, I feel like the sun absolutely needs the moon and the other planets to the wise, it's just like the sun, it's just there. It's like, if a tree

Kyle Pierce: 01:03:50

ignorance, but the sun has this way of when plants get too close to it, hiding them blocking them in so unlike in similar way, like the sun can have this way of blinding of creating too much light and

Tristan Paylor: 01:04:48

Yeah, it's, I mean, in Hellenistic astrology it is connected to the mind which is interesting because you know, we usually think of mercury as being the mind but the sun is very

Joe G.: 01:05:46

Right. And also, one other thing, too, is that nowadays goes to Neptune, but it's also very solar, traditionally, just the idea of like, like, you're seeing spirit, but just spirituality as a

Tristan Paylor: 01:06:19

Yeah, it's sort of like what can only be known through experience. It's, it's interesting that, you know, Mercury travels so close to the sun and represents language and

Kyle Pierce: 01:06:50

Yeah. I feel like I end up referencing this book a lot. But um, one of my favorite books growing up was a book called Stranger in a Strange Land, about a human that grew up on Mars.

Kyle Pierce: 01:07:53

mind suns, the mind. And I think all the planets have a component in the mind, but it's maybe where we're sort of limited by language, like you're saying, with mercury trying to translate all the all

Tristan Paylor: 01:08:31

Yeah, prophecy is one that you know comes up in ancient astrology as a as a signification of the sun that connection to the Spirit into the mind and the divine where the sun is

Kyle Pierce: 01:09:27

Yeah. So are you consistently? Oh, no,

Joe G.: 01:09:30

I was just gonna say about, like, even the the ancient stories of like the ascent to and whenever people would go on like this deep meditative state to try and meet God. It's always like

Kyle Pierce: 01:10:05

Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, you get like the Aerosmith to get so much about the sun and its relationship with wisdom but also it's like being too much, you know, like Christian I'm gonna say

Joe G.: 01:11:04

Right? And even with like the whole, like, like, you're saying, I'll go with Smith, of like, of Eden eaten and like the Apple and all of that. I think that because it's been translated so

Kyle Pierce: 01:11:49

Yeah, yeah, then you just are it, you just know it all. It's all there. And it's you, and you're it and it's you. And but then you can't taking that back out into the world and

Tristan Paylor: 01:12:10

Yeah, that sort of, you know, and planets fly too close to the sun, that metaphor, they're, you know, they've, they've gotten close to something that will consume them, if you become

Joe G.: 01:12:45

And I think that's the malefic side of the sun that we can see sometimes, especially when people talk about, like the sun related to to ego and ego ism, and all of that. We can also be

Kyle Pierce: 01:13:10

yeah. Yeah, I feel like I live that one a lot. And Jupiter, in the heart of the sun. And I feel like sometimes I you know, I get little pieces of stuff that I can maybe translate but so

Tristan Paylor: 01:14:09

Yeah, if the king is gonna get angry at anybody, yeah, you don't want to be in that line of fire, like right in, you know, within the court in line of sight. We think another thing

Tristan Paylor: 01:15:31

or not you necessarily want to be a leader, there's just a tendency to sort of have people like flock around you and sort of wants to bask in your light a little bit.

Joe G.: 01:15:42

Right. And there's also like, the, just this idea of like attention, sometimes it can be the bad kind of attention to, sometimes you want to be unknown, but then you keep drawing everyone's

Tristan Paylor: 01:15:58

Yeah, you've just told my life story, someone with the sun and Aries in the 10th house, and just like, I really just want to blend it, like I'm a cancer rising, I just want to blend

Kyle Pierce: 01:16:53

I know, it always sounds like I'm giving Leo's a hard time. But Leo rising, it's always so interesting to me, in the seeing where the sun is in the chart, it tells you so much about you

Joe G.: 01:17:41

right. But I think also one of the things with with the sun that people often don't talk about, because we usually jump to this, the, the attention keyboard, especially with like Leo and

Tristan Paylor: 01:18:24

That is something that I do always like to bring up when I am talking about the sun or talking about Leo, especially with a client is just like, there's a reason that people want to

Tristan Paylor: 01:19:24

want to think about the sun, you know, at its best is saying no, like, you have to look at this, you want to avoid this issue or, you know, you want to ostracize or alienate this group of people

Kyle Pierce: 01:20:00

Yeah, just as much as like the sun is about being seen, it's about seeing, it's about witnessing and, you know, people will prominent sons, like they're very good at recognizing the

Tristan Paylor: 01:20:56

I'm thinking of that sense of being chosen or called, you know, we all you know, who, who doesn't? Yeah, who doesn't want to feel chosen Right? Or, you know, being being the first

Kyle Pierce: 01:21:18

It makes me want to so this is gonna come up I think when we're talking about all the planets is that there's a duality like and all the all the planets and their significations. But you

Joe G.: 01:21:53

Because, but that's actually a really good point. Because this is a thing that I think about, like around the debate of like just the rich and the people who have all this sort of

Kyle Pierce: 01:22:38

Totally. That is the I mean, that's Yeah, but the sun it's like any planet really and maybe in its most natural state, you know if it's like in its own sign. It's very good at being

Joe G.: 01:23:07

No, I didn't. I think you're you're muted.

Kyle Pierce: 01:23:09

Kristen. Are you eating? Oh, you didn't watch it or I won't. I won't. I'll save my story then. All right, won't say

Tristan Paylor: 01:23:16

I haven't watched her.

Kyle Pierce: 01:23:19

Watch good game.

Tristan Paylor: 01:23:22

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Tristan Paylor: 01:23:29

It got real chaotic.

Kyle Pierce: 01:23:31

Second, but yeah. Is there more that we want to say in the sun or mercury?

Joe G.: 01:23:37

I'm always ready to move on to Mercury.

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Tristan Paylor: 01:25:11

let's do it. So who who wants to introduce mercury,

Kyle Pierce: 01:25:18

I think is your channel called Mercury Rising.

Tristan Paylor: 01:25:21

That's true.

Joe G.: 01:25:22

Or my channel is mercury rising.

Kyle Pierce: 01:25:26

This is your time in the spotlight. You've been chosen me,

Joe G.: 01:25:30

I feel like, my main thing with mercury is just that. Like, it's just everything. It can be anything that I want. And just goes with it. And it has fun. I think like the, the main keyword that

Kyle Pierce: 01:26:18

Yeah. Like you were saying before, how mercury can be. It can be made, you know, monolithic or benefic, or, you know, can switch teams. One of the things that Mercury is associated

Tristan Paylor: 01:27:11

Mercury is like the true neutral alignment. Yeah, there's no. Like, if if it can be a control. Yeah, you could, you could make an argument for chaotic neutral, I guess. But I feel like

Kyle Pierce: 01:27:36

Yeah, actually, being been reading a lot of like, Vedic stuff, and just interested in like, Vedic perspective, mercury, is actually a very stable planet, in that. Pantheon, if you will.

Tristan Paylor: 01:28:10

That's a very good point. I think the the characteristic of mercury that I come back to a lot is its purpose as a boundary crosser. And as a planet that represents boundaries that sort

Tristan Paylor: 01:29:31

mind. You know, my thoughts are silent to you, but I can speak them out loud or write them down and you have access to a hidden world behind my eyes that you couldn't otherwise participate in.

Kyle Pierce: 01:29:42

Yeah. Think makes me think about how important Mercury is in you know, you think of like Venus for relationships and stuff, but Mercury is the it's relating things, you know, it's

Tristan Paylor: 01:30:40

Yeah, I tend to, in modern astrology, the sun and the moon tend to be emphasized as representing the personality, but I tend to really focus on Mercury quite a lot. I mean, the

Tristan Paylor: 01:31:39

party. And

Kyle Pierce: 01:31:41

yes, the idea is about Mercury,

Joe G.: 01:31:43

the vast one and in the world. Totally, just not because I have it at my ascendant, or any reason like that.

Kyle Pierce: 01:31:53

No, not not at all. I'm gonna try

Joe G.: 01:31:55

not to, like, try to remember what I said last time. Yeah. But there was one thing, I guess, are we letting the listeners know that we fucked up and to do it again? Well, we didn't fuck

Kyle Pierce: 01:32:16

Oh, yeah, I mean, technically, we didn't, we didn't have a backup plan.

Tristan Paylor: 01:32:19

Well, it was a collective effort to fail.

Kyle Pierce: 01:32:25

Yeah, not participated in the failure. We there

Joe G.: 01:32:28

go? Well, I guess it is a good example of how mercury goes retrograde every now and then to have us go retrograde when Mercury is supposed to be coming around. I think that one of the things

Joe G.: 01:33:40

are trying to go into these transcendental sort of states to meet God or to see God in some way, shape, or form. But it's always the case that they get there at the very end, but they never

Kyle Pierce: 01:34:22

Oh, yeah. No, I love that actually. It's making me think about how, you know, I just like monks, but like, people in different cultures throughout history, like their if they're trying

Kyle Pierce: 01:35:27

translating everything. So if you're gonna have any kind of experience, you really need mercury to, to communicate it, translate it into words that other people don't understand.

Joe G.: 01:35:37

Right? I do like that. You mentioned the whole death and rebirth thing, because I think that, like sometimes we over look and like in modern astrology, that like the psychopomp nests of

Kyle Pierce: 01:36:09

Oh, yeah. But I mean, it's probably one of the core significations of Mercury's is that ability to adapt to its circumstances. On something like Vedic Astrology, you know, Mercury's

Kyle Pierce: 01:37:16

than you Joji with very prominent Mercury's. And there's this really crazy quality of just, there's like, almost once a scavenger, but just super, super resourceful, like where they will. I have a bit

Tristan Paylor: 01:37:49

says, making me think of the story of Moses receiving the 10 commandments as a very Mercury synoptic cycle story, a very significant tree retrograde story where, you know, Moses is the

Tristan Paylor: 01:38:48

back and has, you know, the stone tablets with the commandments written on it as sort of like the effort to translate what God is trying to tell the people. It's a very mercurial story that never

Joe G.: 01:39:02

Oh, that's perfect. I love that. There's just something that I committed a crime that I absolutely hate. Because usually I have a big pet peeve when of when people gender mercury as he and

Tristan Paylor: 01:39:25

Yeah, I think my favorite feature of mercury is that in every way, Mercury defies all of the categories in astrology, like mercury is the only planet that exalts itself. You know,

Kyle Pierce: 01:40:37

Yeah, when you think of mercury is really its role is the definer of the category. It is like the categorizer, you know, it's the sorter to have something like language, you have to

Joe G.: 01:41:36

it goes. And then it comes back and goes, yeah, and then it goes again. It changes constantly.

Tristan Paylor: 01:41:42

I think speed is another important signification of mercury, just oh yeah, no being moving around the Sun faster than any other planet. And you know, you think of the speed of thought

Joe G.: 01:41:57

And I don't know if you guys will agree with that. One thing that I think a lot about because like, especially with ideas of speed, and all that sometimes gets conflated with the immune

Joe G.: 01:43:02

praised for being the person who brought up I don't know the liar, or who I'm meant to that. But initially, it was never a thought. And I think that mercury might seem unreliable, because it's in

Tristan Paylor: 01:43:25

I totally agree with that. It's something I think about a lot with both Mercury and the moon because they are very similar. And you know, they're both fast moving and both changeable

Tristan Paylor: 01:44:25

So I think part of like coming to terms with the reality of mercury is becoming comfortable with change and recognizing that like, it actually comes in cycles like there actually is what appears

Tristan Paylor: 01:45:29

spider. And so you know, it's sort of like mercury may appear chaotic, but there's an underlying order or structure to what looks like chaos. And, you know, it's up to us to sort of get in tune

Kyle Pierce: 01:45:46

Yeah, I think it's important to note that before going to Uranus, really all the significations of Uranus belonged to Mercury the sudden events and changes. But I kind of I'm glad

Kyle Pierce: 01:46:53

like, Okay, I'm just gonna die. My web is gone. That way, you know, that they will adapt to the circumstances they will adapt to the new circumstances. Yeah, but the the association with mercury

Tristan Paylor: 01:47:19

just on the note of Uranus kind of taking some of the significations that traditionally belong to Mercury. One of those is divination and astrology in particular.

Joe G.: 01:48:07

right and I see some of that with Uranus as well I was very resistant as a, an avid Mercury lover. But I do see some of the some of why astrology is also very Uranian. But one thing that I I

Tristan Paylor: 01:48:44

It's a really good way of putting it oh yeah,

Kyle Pierce: 01:48:47

think about ordered systems and the idea of entropy, how ordered systems are always kind of slowly gravitating towards a state of disorder, but you have to kind of maintain that system

Kyle Pierce: 01:49:56

think like Jupiter being like a wandering proselytizer like recall that those kind of think of the name,

Tristan Paylor: 01:50:05

like an evangelist or a missionary.

Kyle Pierce: 01:50:08

Missionary, that's the word I'm thinking of, they are going to go to each town and they are going to preach the same thing. They're going to preach the same gospel. Even if they might get

Tristan Paylor: 01:50:25

I like that because there is a natural opposition between Jupiter and mercury. That's a really good illustration of how that works, where you know, Mercury's domiciles are Gemini

Kyle Pierce: 01:50:56

Mercury and Jupiter is it is nice to like, identified to like, separate the significations of planets because there is always overlap. Mercury if you know Jupiter is like the

Tristan Paylor: 01:51:27

Yeah, we have Gog back officially.

Joe G.: 01:51:33

My brother all of a sudden just I thought he was vacuuming but he got this. What are those? Like? Hoverboards or whatever? Oh, like as Mercury. Yeah, like those. They're like boards, but you

Kyle Pierce: 01:52:10

me think of mercury a little bit because we the Gemini side of mercury is like the the kind of novelty and interest in new things and trying different things. And

Joe G.: 01:52:21

it's like, makes me think of my brother as a Gemini. Oh, yeah.

Kyle Pierce: 01:52:23

Well, it makes me think of like toys even. And kids and toys. It's like they play with this toy for a little while. They love it, like, Oh, my God, this this toy is the thing right now.

Joe G.: 01:53:02

I can relate. And I think that's a good I don't know if you guys were ever mentioned this after I left, but one of the major keywords for mercury that I like to use is just the idea of fun.

Kyle Pierce: 01:53:53

Yeah. And think about what Mercury is like, it's it doesn't necessarily need to mean something, it doesn't have to fit into a bigger broader scope necessarily, like Jupiter wants to fit

Joe G.: 01:54:19

It's like the what if factor is what if we did this? Or what about this? And that's how labs explore.

Kyle Pierce: 01:54:32

Let's see, yeah, let's see what happens if we mix these two together.

Tristan Paylor: 01:54:36

It's it's curiosity for its own sake. And I love that both of Mercury's domiciles are represented by human figures because I feel like that curiosity for its own sake pursuing

Tristan Paylor: 01:55:52

sensation to happen? So he actually figured out that what he could do, like his, his idea was, maybe the stomach expands and contracts. And the contractions when you're hungry is what cause or what

Joe G.: 01:56:43

man, it's so true, I spent so much time thinking about this, like, why, like, all no other animal decided to like, make something like the internet, or, I don't know, like a phone or any sort

Tristan Paylor: 01:57:09

and stuff and studying stuff, just for the sake really, we just need to know how things work. And it, it's not like sometimes we will actually harm ourselves in order to learn how

Joe G.: 01:57:49

It's like a reminds me of early Alchemist, which is also a very mercurial thing, that one of the primary ways of testing if something is actually working, was to taste a substance. And like

Tristan Paylor: 01:58:32

It's like, now I understand why alchemy works the way it does in Skyrim, where like, you have to eat the ingredients to know what they do like that is totally mercury. Like, I'm going

Kyle Pierce: 01:59:00

you guys might love this because I you immediately had me thinking about Josef Mengele, of course, because you know, who wouldn't think about Josef Mengele. But for people who don't know

Tristan Paylor: 02:00:05

It's a very evil, evil mercury. Well, it's

Kyle Pierce: 02:00:10

a, this is a think what was so creepy about mercury or about Dr. Mengele. And it's something that's like the dark side of mercury is that sort of indifference that's sort of, it's not

Joe G.: 02:00:39

I think that also has to do with what we were talking about with the sun or oneness or anything like that. Because I think any person who spent any time thinking about oneness and the

Tristan Paylor: 02:01:40

I do tend to talk about the planets in in pairs or groups because the everything in astrology is balanced. And Jupiter and Mercury having sort of opposing principles, I think is really

Kyle Pierce: 02:02:30

mercury, but then yeah, it's always the interaction between they balance each other, if only we could experiment with a planet totally by itself, you know, seeing what it would do. I don't

Tristan Paylor: 02:02:51

Yes, it's like it's the spectrum between extreme moral relativism versus like, morality is absolute. And those are like the two sort of polar extremes. And between the two of them

Joe G.: 02:03:03

Yeah. I think it's super interesting how, like Jupiter is also the I know that we're talking about Mercury. But Jupiter being the planet that opposes appointment of that isn't neutral,

Tristan Paylor: 02:03:33

Yeah, yeah, that is, as an important distinction.

Kyle Pierce: 02:03:38

Something I was thinking about with mercury, too, is that the sign that mercury exalts in is Virgo exalts itself there, but Virgo is a sign where the benefits don't do particularly well.

Tristan Paylor: 02:03:59

Alright, yeah, either way, yeah, whatever it's closest to you or, you know, if it's diurnal or nocturnal planet in a, you know, certain type of chart, it kind of can go back and forth.

Kyle Pierce: 02:04:11

That is, it's an interesting way to think about the nature of mercury in that it's something about it is not geared towards beneficence, per se, or Maleficent. Like it's, there's a

Joe G.: 02:05:20

one thing that I was thinking as you were talking about, and maybe this was where your your were going with it, but, um, just to speak on the neutrality of mercury, I think it almost reminds

Kyle Pierce: 02:06:06

yeah, so like mercury has to handle in the digestive system. Sometimes. I mean, the digestive system is not the most specific place. When you think about it on hand, it's dealing with,

Tristan Paylor: 02:06:52

Think on the note of adaptability. One of the things that makes Mercury unique and its significations is the sheer variety and number of significations it gets throughout both

Tristan Paylor: 02:08:00

to do and learn about all the different interests that it has. And I have my I have a friend who is a Gemini rising with Mercury conjunct her ascendant. So Mercury in Gemini rising. And it's like

Joe G.: 02:09:00

like what you were saying about doing many things, I think, is one of the reasons why mercury and Saturn do so well together. It's that ability to do all of the things but also have the

Joe G.: 02:10:06

that time and then that at that time then that other time, because even with astrology too, I went on to delineations that they always give for like mercury and Saturn together. Is in the chart of

Kyle Pierce: 02:11:00

I think it's a really good point because Mercury does that is very mercury, Saturn, but then you think of like mercury in relationship or aspect to all the other planets, like mercury has

Tristan Paylor: 02:11:40

usefulness is such a good keyword. I was just thinking of Mercury's both domicile and exaltation in Virgo, which is a sign that is associated with service. And Mercury's association

Tristan Paylor: 02:12:49

tie into that. Like why is mercury so helpful and so good at being useful and of service because mercury is so versatile and adaptable and you know, can sort of find a solution in any situation you

Joe G.: 02:13:04

because anything can become mercurial to like even just like going through all the delineations like you, you think of gyms, you think of Mars, but then you add mercury to that, then

Tristan Paylor: 02:13:30

It brings the nerdiness to any anything you could possibly be interested in like you could you could you know care about your health and care about fitness, you could be a fitness nerd

Kyle Pierce: 02:13:41

can take it and integrate it into your everyday life I can make everything about fitness, fitness calendars,

Tristan Paylor: 02:13:49

and like just really care about the minutia. dig into

Kyle Pierce: 02:13:53

the details, you know, getting the right sweat bands, you know the quality of the fabric of the sweat band, really nobody knows

Joe G.: 02:14:02

macro macros and the micros or whatever

Tristan Paylor: 02:14:07

and Mercury Mercury is the one talking shop about whatever the particular thing is you know whether it's fitness or or fixing a car or you know any other number of things that you

Kyle Pierce: 02:14:24

I would like to hear actually this people now is I want to know their Mercury placement and what they're nerdy about. I wonder if that will

Tristan Paylor: 02:14:31

tell you like

Joe G.: 02:14:34

what are your Mercury placements and what are you already about?

Kyle Pierce: 02:14:38

Yeah. I heard about many things. I mercury in Taurus in the 11th house. I get really nerdy about astrology lately, but my you know, my nerdiness is have changed probably over time. I

Tristan Paylor: 02:15:43

guys, I love all of this because you've got like the it's in Taurus. It's in like a Venus ruled sign. So you get the art nerdiness and then you're obsessed with like war history, which

Joe G.: 02:16:06

Chart. Oh, man, that's funny.

Tristan Paylor: 02:16:11

My Mercury is in Aries in the 10th house. It is in a very, very tight applying sextile with Venus and I was an art nerd. That was my, my identity in high school was being an art

Tristan Paylor: 02:17:31

or how their minds work. And I'm a psychology student. And, you know, like, yeah, like I've have been, and maybe it's sort of Angular Mercury where, like, I can't settle on one thing, like I I'm

Tristan Paylor: 02:18:36

also have no children that, you know, we started playing d&d, it was just going to be like a cute fun thing. And that was taken over my entire life. And I spend like six hours a day talking about

Kyle Pierce: 02:19:33

Oh, yeah. Got some of that. It seems like a hockey fan.

Tristan Paylor: 02:19:37

What about you, Joe? Gee, yeah, you gotta spell. What are your nerdy about?

Joe G.: 02:19:44

I mean, with the mercury out the ascendant? It depends on the week. I feel you. Right. Like with, like, you're saying, Tristan, there's literally zero show it's either I live my most recent

Tristan Paylor: 02:20:23

me I love with the Saturn Trine

Joe G.: 02:20:27

right and mercury in my second. That's brilliant. Yeah, and I was I was always thinking about this because I never could really get how mercury in my second house made me nerdy about

Kyle Pierce: 02:20:58

synthesizer obsession for a while.

Joe G.: 02:21:03

Well, I do have that same sextile to Venus. And I was very much an art nerd. When you were telling you your story I was. I was actually like, very blown away because that was literally how it

Tristan Paylor: 02:21:38

I just I feel this in my bones where it's like, I was going to be a scientist, and I was going to be an artist and I was gonna be a psychologist and I was going to be an astrologer. And

Kyle Pierce: 02:22:13

It's probably relevant that we're all three of us are all cancer risings. And it's really the Moon who might be like the most changeable of all. Mercury definitely has the moon. It's

Joe G.: 02:22:30

Yeah. Well, I have moon and mercury in the same place. Right. So it's kind of hard to distinguish

Kyle Pierce: 02:22:40

a Mercury Moon opposition, so I

Joe G.: 02:22:42

cannot make a single decision ever in my life.

Tristan Paylor: 02:22:47

Who needs decision? Whose job is to make the decision right?

Joe G.: 02:22:54

A little bit of everything here and there goes a long way.

Kyle Pierce: 02:23:01

So I think split this deep dive into the planets into two episodes, because we're just we're just too deep. For one episode. I think too

Joe G.: 02:23:09

much mercury. Do you want to work? Are you in a virtual room? That's what

Kyle Pierce: 02:23:19

so yeah, we'll continue on with Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn in the next episode. But for now, what do you what do you have going on right now? Joji

Joe G.: 02:23:32

right now. I don't know. Like me personally. Not a lot, but I'm working on. On a lot of stuff with Gemini Brett. He's working on starting his podcast again. And he needed a co host and

Kyle Pierce: 02:24:02

Yeah. Starring as like your friend it's actually more like your permission. My son when he was like to have like the worst Michigan accent ever. You always call my name, dad. Anyway,

Joe G.: 02:24:35

Oh, yeah, I'm super stoked for the first episode. I actually have like quite the task on it because we're gonna be talking about fate versus free will and I'm on fate side and Gemini. Brett is

Kyle Pierce: 02:24:52

fun night so I want to include a link to that show in on any of your channel. Oh,

Joe G.: 02:25:00

yes, I do have my channel Mercury Rising. Yes, I do have my my YouTube, which I'm shifting gears a little bit so I'm probably not going to be there active there for a solid time but I'm

Tristan Paylor: 02:25:33

nice. Oh, that's so cool.

Joe G.: 02:25:35

Thank you.

Kyle Pierce: 02:25:36

In are you currently doing? consultations?

Joe G.: 02:25:39

Yes. I'm always thinking consultations always at the mercury rising not calm.

Kyle Pierce: 02:25:45

Mercury Rising calm. Yeah, I had an awesome reading with Joe G. So highly recommended. Oh,

Joe G.: 02:25:51

yes. And by the time this goes live, I'll probably will start. I'll be offering election consultations as well. Yeah, actually, I'll probably make a code for promo code for your show. For

Kyle Pierce: 02:26:17

It's highly preferential Yeah, sounds great. Maybe I'll use it.

Joe G.: 02:26:23

I guess the code will be hotline. So just use hotline on checkout. 80% discount. There we go.

Tristan Paylor: 02:26:30

Nice.

Joe G.: 02:26:32

Well, good. No, I was gonna ask what we're gonna say.

Kyle Pierce: 02:26:40

I was gonna ask Tristan, what what he has going on right now.

Tristan Paylor: 02:26:44

I've got the usual stuff going on. I've been on a little bit of a creative hiatus, just because of the holidays. But I'm hoping to start doing some more writing soon. So you can find

Kyle Pierce: 02:27:33

Awesome. As for me, I my consultations have been closed for about a good week or so because I've been going through a move but chaos is finally starting to settle and should be should

Tristan Paylor: 02:28:15

Yeah, Venus retrograde has been kind of a nice little break from creating publicly and you know, just been creating privately and you know, maybe by the time Venus goes direct, I will

Kyle Pierce: 02:28:33

but yeah, and it definitely looking forward to Georgie joining us for the second part of this episode.

Joe G.: 02:28:38

Of course. Yeah.

Tristan Paylor: 02:28:39

Thank you for listening and thank you so much for your your time and expertise. God it's been wonderful chatting with you.

Joe G.: 02:28:45

Well, thank you for having me. It's a blast.

Kyle Pierce: 02:28:49

Alright, yeah. Thanks for listening. And we will see you all next time. That mustache brush I do love the mustache cover

Joe G.: 02:28:58

so it's so sad because I've been working so hard and then

Kyle Pierce: 02:29:06

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