Episode 23
The Aspects II - Astrology 101
Astrologer Ada Pembroke returns to the show to continue our coverage of the meaning of the Aspects in astrology with deep dives into the Trine and the Square. To demonstrate the practical application of interpreting the aspects and how they actually show in peoples lives, we assembled a smorgasbord of example charts, including the birth charts of King Charles XII of Sweden, Prince Harry Duke of Sussex, Nichole Kidman, B. F. Skinner, Jennifer Lawrence, Bo Burnham and more!
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Transcript
Hello, and welcome to astrology hotline podcast where we answer all your burning birthchart and astrology questions. We're joined once again today by Ada Pembroke. And we're going
Ada Pembroke:So far, I think it's been about an hour and 15 minutes. Yeah,
Kyle Pierce:so yeah, okay. It's about her her session for today. All right. thing we're, we're, we're flexible people. But how are you guys enjoying the mercury retrograde? Read
Tristan Paylor:how to say it like you're from Minnesota. Yeah.
Kyle Pierce:That would be a good Mercury Retrograde signification is just suddenly starting to talk in accents.
Tristan Paylor:There are cases of people who've had some sort of a traumatic brain injury and wake up speaking in a different accent and there was no childhood connection. They did grow up around
Kyle Pierce:I had a teacher that had that actually. She taught is a massage therapy teacher. And she Spoken like a kind of a German accent. And every I remember being told before the class like
Ada Pembroke:Maybe it's progressed Mercury stationing retrograde or something like that would be really fascinating to look at.
Kyle Pierce:Yeah, I know my progress. Mercury's retrograde, but it's gonna happen everybody.
Ada Pembroke:Eventually.
Kyle Pierce:Yeah, if you live long enough. I don't know. But speaking of accents, it's funny that that came up because I have been playing this game hold fast. And I've been talking about it. I feel
Ada Pembroke:That's fascinating. I
Kyle Pierce:really wanted to follow this stream of add thought, you know, I would go look for a chart. A birth chart with Mercury in Gemini retrograde but we're not going to do that. Tell me we're
Tristan Paylor:Now, I feel like we should do an episode where we just let Kyle loose. This episode has no topic. We're just gonna let Kyle talk about astrology for an hour. And we're just gonna see
Kyle Pierce:already kind of happens, I think was Ted Kaczynski. What might have been a Mercury Retrograde in Gemini. So you had Mercury in Gemini?
Ada Pembroke:Oh, good. Back to Ted Kaczynski.
Kyle Pierce:Yeah, I thought we were done with that.
Ada Pembroke:First time someone has ever said that might be just now. Guys remember Ted Kaczynski.
Tristan Paylor:For those who haven't listened to part one of this series yet. We use Ted Kaczynski his chart as an example of the sextile aspect. And the rest of his chart was so interesting that we
Ada Pembroke:Yeah, I don't actually stand serial killers. Like I feel like that should be absolutely clear right from the beginning.
Kyle Pierce:Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm not not pro serial killer by any stretch. Granted, I have another podcast where I talk about them in the birth charts a lot. But, you know, I don't endorse these
Tristan Paylor:I think if you're interested in studying people, in any sort of field, you're going to be interested in the extreme ends of the spectrum. You know, what is it that makes people like
Ada Pembroke:Or the situation where you get like, you know, Charlie Chaplin's chart is actually really similar to Adolf Hitler's. Oh, yeah, I love that one.
Kyle Pierce:They're born in the same day, their time twins are Nick diggin best did A a talk, basically comparing both of the charts. It's really interesting. Actually, if you join the
Tristan Paylor:like the most awful extreme potential, or a placement like 99.9% of the time, it's going to manifest as anything but this but yeah, at its most horrible extreme. This is what that
Kyle Pierce:Yeah. But it can facilitate empathy. Sometimes, you know, not that Empathy means you can don't something but know your enemy. Right.
Ada Pembroke:And like trickster stories, yeah, it seems like humans need people to tell them what not to do by doing it. Yeah,
Kyle Pierce:absolutely. I have you guys ever read the books? Ender's Game?
Unknown:Yes. Love those books.
Kyle Pierce:That was one of the things you talked about why Ender was able to defeat the enemy aliens because he loved the aliens, you know, because he was able to, like get inside their their
Tristan Paylor:you're gonna have to get I have to put a spoiler alert on the show notes.
Ada Pembroke:Yeah. Sorry, guy. And then everybody's gonna be like, Why is he spoiling Ender's Game? I have to watch the
Tristan Paylor:show. That's true. I mean, it's gonna generate interest this way.
Kyle Pierce:It's been a job a long time. So. And there's a whole series that goes beyond the first book and the thing that I spoiled. So
Ada Pembroke:I only wrote the first one because I got to the end of it. And I fortunately had not had it spoiled. And I was like, what? took me so long to get over it. I moved on.
Kyle Pierce:Oh, yeah. What's great though, is that there's another set of books within the series about another character and it's like the whole story, but from the perspective of another character
Ada Pembroke:I wish I had the patience as a writer to tell the same story twice.
Kyle Pierce:I, it was a rather brilliantly done, I think I learned some things about Orson Scott Card that made me less fond of him overall, as a human but great writer. Yeah. But um, yeah,
Ada Pembroke:build the suspense. Who is this individuals birth data?
Tristan Paylor:Yeah. Do you want to input that for us? And I think before we start getting into examples, we should probably talk a little bit about what we think the trend means in general. Yeah,
Tristan Paylor:that you can use when you're looking at trends and also trying to distinguish them from sextiles. I know we've talked a lot about what makes trines and sextiles different on the last episode, and we
Tristan Paylor:feel about each other planets in Trine are in signs that share the same element. So they're gonna share the same polarity. And the same element, they have a ton in common, the only thing they don't
Kyle Pierce:absolutely. It's stabilizing and affirming really is the nature of Jupiter and also the nature of the Trine. And one of the sort of analogies we ended up using, I think, for the episode we
Tristan Paylor:Yeah, if you think about there being save, you've got a chart, and there are two planets and water signs and another planet enters a water sign that planet is now part of the water
Tristan Paylor:are generally thought of as pleasant aspects, I do think nothing is black and white, and planets and trine with each other can potentially form a little bit of an echo chamber with each other. I know
Ada Pembroke:I don't know if there's so much controversial takes or if they're more just bitter feelings.
Kyle Pierce:Throw trains under the bus.
Ada Pembroke:I, I really don't like try and it's like, you know, it's about the aspect. I love people who have trines they're really interesting to talk to you and you know, that's the most
Ada Pembroke:the squares are causing trouble, they're really loud about it, you know exactly what's going on. But this the trines they're sneaky. They're so sneaky. Like, they will be conspiring with each other
Kyle Pierce:It's it's lubricated, you know, it flows almost so easily. It they tend to feel good. Because they flow. So naturally, they don't always feel good. But like they. Because the things that
Kyle Pierce:conscious effort and energy into to working with them.
Tristan Paylor:And the trends can be things that you just sort of take for granted, you know, and I think it's it's something that you and I were talking about before recorded data, that it's harder
Tristan Paylor:about ourselves and about our world. And we're generally trying to figure out things that cause some kind of tension. Even if it's positive tension, even if it's not like a huge problem, or conflict,
Kyle Pierce:Yeah, absolutely. I love the analogy with music and for something to be compelling. Like there has to be a little bit of tension in there. And just thinking about, you know, the nature
Tristan Paylor:think that's a really good description of Mars destabilizing in order to create action. That's the perfect. So the best description I think I've heard from our site really distills
Ada Pembroke:I agree. Good job.
Tristan Paylor:So that's why we keep Kyle around.
Kyle Pierce:I think the thing though, too, we don't want to talk too much about trends, because they no, no, no, kind of like, like Jupiter is the tend to help facilitate successful endeavors.
Tristan Paylor:Yeah, I don't think it's black and white, trines and sextiles are positive squares and opposition's or negative situation, I think it's really, the context is everything. You know, if
Ada Pembroke:same thing with trines, you'll be the person who has you know, is using that use to create things or you can be the person who is blindly running through life thinking that life is
Tristan Paylor:You can be Yeah, and I think that's something you can have too much peace. Like, there are two, two ways of looking at peace, there's peace, which is, you know, a genuine absence of
Kyle Pierce:Yeah. But just because it's, you know, you don't have to deal with the issues around that topic. Doesn't make that not an issue in the world. You know, you can kind of get some
Ada Pembroke:It's like the difference between the saying, you know, I'm sorry to hear that and saying, No, really, I didn't want to hear that. Yeah,
Kyle Pierce:yeah. Are you talking about these problems? This is not my problem. Sounds like your problem.
Ada Pembroke:My day was going fine.
Kyle Pierce:You only have like one train. Well, I guess when you include points in the chart between planets on the train.
Tristan Paylor:I have Jupiter trying or sorry. No, it's not. I have Jupiter sextile my ascendant. I feel like
Kyle Pierce:Trine Jupiter though, and I guess I've assigned based trine with Saturn and Jupiter, and Neptune. I forget to acknowledge
Tristan Paylor:I have Jupiter pretty closely sextile my ascendant and I can definitely see that in that I am generally pleasant and easy to be around and you know, polite and try to be considerate of
Tristan Paylor:when there is actually conflict going on, I'm not going to be the first person to sort of jump in the fray and be Mars about and that's when you need that. You need that like square kind of energy
Ada Pembroke:Meanwhile, I have Mars sextile the ascendant so I definitely don't have that problem.
Tristan Paylor:Yeah, Aida and I would be perfectly balanced as a duo. We can do the good cop bad cop really well.
Ada Pembroke:Oh, yeah. Always the bad cop, whether it wants to be or not.
Tristan Paylor:It's a tough job. It's an important job. But it's a really tough job because people you have to be willing to not be liked. And I think that's something I really struggle with. I
Ada Pembroke:Oh, yeah. I have a Leo Ascendant, I practically have to get that tattooed on my arm.
Kyle Pierce:Yeah, that actually brings up a good point maybe about aspects to the ascendant, which I don't know how you guys tend to interpret them. And I increasingly do this with aspects between
Tristan Paylor:I think very energetic, but Netfix squares? Yeah, it's like, with Venus squares. It's sort of like the energy of attraction. You know, there's like an itch you have to scratch.
Kyle Pierce:Well, yeah. Especially with an affix in general, but I just feel like when they're associated with the ascendant, I don't know, it's like, I just sort of start with like the house,
Ada Pembroke:I think that that's where the tension comes in. I mean, tension itself is, is neutral, like there are places where you definitely don't want tension. Like if you're at a diplomatic
Ada Pembroke:Pluto serves as this great ballast that gives me depth and intensity so that I'm not just like an air balloon flying off into space. Like everything is wonderful.
Kyle Pierce:Yeah, that's a no Pluto's good at, at popping things to get a little overinflated. I have opposing my son and Jupiter. And it's good at popping that, that ego that can get a little out
Tristan Paylor:So it's making me think about something I'm learning in my druid training right now, because daily meditation is an important part of druid practice. And the meditation techniques that
Tristan Paylor:off from what is outside of your body. If you're sitting up straight, you're not fully tense, but you're not fully relaxed either. Like you do have to tense certain muscles in order to keep your
Tristan Paylor:if you're just a pile of jello all the time.
Kyle Pierce:Or you might get stuff done, but it might just be the same stuff.
Tristan Paylor:Yeah. Yeah. Rope chain trines
Ada Pembroke:love going on loops.
Kyle Pierce:That Yeah.
Ada Pembroke:Grand that you like, that's wonderful. Well, shall we
Kyle Pierce:maybe jump into our examples? Yeah, let's
Tristan Paylor:do it. Just before we jump in, just to remind our listeners, since we're going over example, charts, and we're going to be talking about a lot of charts, you will find a link in the
Kyle Pierce:Yes, I definitely recommend taking a look at this one. I guess we're gonna do some first because
Tristan Paylor:Oh, yeah, I'm excited. Yeah, we can't the it's like Christmas, right. When you know, you get asked Do you want to open presents? Do you want to have breakfast? What's the first thing
Ada Pembroke:obviously,
Kyle Pierce:well, that's the thing with this particular chart. So this is the birth chart of Charles the 12, King of Sweden. It was born in June 17 1682 6:45am. Stockholm, Sweden do you have to
Kyle Pierce:like the height of Swedish power. And they were basically the dominant power in the Baltic. And it was actually very important part of the world at the time, because this is the age of sail. And all
Kyle Pierce:eighth hole sign house, Mars in Gemini but 20 degrees in the 11th hole sign house, and then just a stacked 12th House son in cancer ruling the ascendant about five degrees. You get Mercury and Venus
Tristan Paylor:this, this is a whole podcast episode. We can't We can't get into this now. We will never see the end of this topic if we jump into this rabbit hole. Yeah, but it's a very good
Kyle Pierce:It is probably for that reason, I'm just going to omit talking about the outer planets in this chart, just because it's already a lot there. And we want to focus on the trend.
Ada Pembroke:But, but I'm an evolutionary astrologer after
Kyle Pierce:Pluto. Oh, yeah. Well, it is interesting. I mean, you got Pluto pretty close with the with Mercury and Venus there. Yeah. A conjunction bit. Uranus is like square Jupiter. You know,
Kyle Pierce:houses that are traditionally considered to be kind of negative houses tend to include more difficult experiences. Right? And this shows up for Charles, it's often a very interesting way. And
Kyle Pierce:basically like the entire eastern chunk of Europe. So you get basically every country that surrounds Sweden, declaring war on Sweden, they got this new young king, they think that this is a really good
Kyle Pierce:and just destroys them just crushes them wins. And he loves it. He loves being at war.
Kyle Pierce:While he didn't get the Russians to surrender, he sort of knock them out temporarily. And he's like, Alright, let's go after Poland or the the Elector of Saxony. Like we gotta knock these dudes out.
Kyle Pierce:battle. And there were myths that he had like a spell that made him invincible that made it impossible to kill him. After like that battle that I mentioned between Russia and he took out an
Kyle Pierce:And he said, of Charles that the only weakness that Charles had was that he was just too perfect, that he was just too much of the exemplar of humanity, too. Just too good for this world, basically,
Kyle Pierce:know, leading this wild invasion of Norway, trying to find a way to win this war, even though it's long lost, and he ends up getting shot in the head, possibly by one of his own men. Not really sure.
Ada Pembroke:I mean, Jupiter has a really hard time knowing its limits. I mean, that's, that's the reason why we have Saturn and you know, Jupiter and Saturn are, are in that tension of opposites and
Kyle Pierce:Yeah. Well, and that's what's interesting is he does have Saturn in his first house. And when it comes to like, descriptions of him personally, it's very stern, kind of austere guy. But
Kyle Pierce:Haha, gentleman, I believe the enemy wants to make me practice my writing today. Oh, and like he would just be this like really kind of goofy jovial dude when he was in battle, but all the rest of
Tristan Paylor:think this is such a good example, Kyle. And I think it's such a good example of how, how complicated interpreting symbolism can get when you have a benefic planet, like Jupiter
Tristan Paylor:sides of themselves in different contexts and sometimes show unexpected sides of themselves, depending on what context they're in. You know, the moon is is hunger and the moon in the eighth
Kyle Pierce:Yeah. And his enemies would sort of undo themselves sometimes, too, like they would. That's why
Tristan Paylor:he wanted realism. Yeah. It's sort of Yeah, like, what is Jupiter doing in the 12th? House? It's under way you you undo in the 12th house and in the 12th house, jupiter is like, I'm
Kyle Pierce:Yeah, it's, it's a really good example I find of the really complicated way the planets work in eighth and 12th. House, it's like you see them working. They're doing stuff for him. And
Tristan Paylor:That's also an example of how something working out for you doesn't necessarily mean it's good for everybody else. You might look trends
Kyle Pierce:begin to stabilize and affirm things that you know, are not great.
Tristan Paylor:Somebody is trying can be somebody else's square. Yeah, yeah. It's a way that you're benefiting is on the backs of somebody else.
Kyle Pierce:Yeah, there's so much to this chart that I would love to dig into. But I want to make time for you guys. And I will probably save it for I'm gonna probably do a whole thing on on this
Tristan Paylor:I have I have a brief one. I didn't dive as deeply as you did. Kai
Kyle Pierce:spent 20 minutes ranting about
Ada Pembroke:that is a very tough act to follow.
Kyle Pierce:Yeah, I'm sorry. I know. It's where I want to stand for the end a little bit. My excitement got the better of me. That's my, between the 12th and eighth house and I do. I have not
Tristan Paylor:watch where they're taking you maybe, yeah, I think this is a good example of the way aspects work between houses, and how you can learn a lot about the houses by both about the
Kyle Pierce:Trials, the top inherited one of the best armies in Europe. There you go. Or baby.
Tristan Paylor:What a life like I can't imagine maths at 15 years old, is being 15 years old and being told you are now the king of an empire. You have one of the world's most powerful armies at
Kyle Pierce:Well, that's the funny thing about Charles 12. We're gonna move on. But he did have a short period of that a little bit like he had a cousin, who was the Duke of Holstein gold tour, and
Tristan Paylor:on I feel a trine between the Yeah, well the train on screen the eighth and the 12 to being about because the 12th and the eighth have so much to do a sacrifice I think is also
Kyle Pierce:I'd love to know the most about that's the thing I'm
Tristan Paylor:on the inside and the other ones are not from my personal life. So but it's it's interesting too, because the examples from your own personal life don't tend to be quite so extreme
Kyle Pierce:All and big I know about the spreadsheet sort of enjoys situations, likes hiking and stuff like being
Tristan Paylor:somewhat more extreme or dangerous to like rock climbing or his cupcake cannons and shooting his best friend with them. Yeah, setting rockets
Kyle Pierce:he has a moon by sign a moon trine Saturn
Tristan Paylor:two so that's right. Yeah, there's a grand Trine collective adversity. That's That's his favorite phrase. Yeah. Dude For you, Okay, sweet. All right, so I will I will get into it. So my
Kyle Pierce:Saturn strengths on two. Yeah, between the 12th and in fourth,
Tristan Paylor:yeah, all three of those houses have planets in them. So they're all all talking to each other. So he has Capricorn rising the sun in Aries and Jupiter in Aries in the fourth house,
Kyle Pierce:Fortunately, Keith wasn't born a king. So
Tristan Paylor:yeah, I think he he'd be a good king, I'd like to think he would be a good king. But instead he was born in, you know, Ontario, Canada, where there are not kings, and he was not born
Ada Pembroke:What you mean, he's not the king of Ontario.
Tristan Paylor:He's not the king of Ontario. Yet, but I really like the trine between the Moon and Jupiter in his chart, it's quite close, it's separating by a bit, but it's very close. So the Moon
Tristan Paylor:like strong Jupiter energetic Jupiter are willing to because it's you know, the sign of Mars, this is a Jupiter who's willing to take action, perhaps a little bit more than Jupiter and other signs
Tristan Paylor:know, adverse circumstances do not drag him down, he doesn't see this, as, you know, this is this is the end of my goals. It's more like, I will get through this, and I, you know, have faith that this
Kyle Pierce:Well, I was not to make it about Trump's fault again, but like, you think about having a similar sort of situation or just luck sometimes is very much a subjective experience, you know,
Kyle Pierce:push you through, and overcome things that other people wouldn't necessarily be able to. But other times, you know, you can, you can lead you, you know, a strain to,
Tristan Paylor:yeah, luck has a lot to do with Outlook. And because we're all lucky and unlucky in different ways, but some of us lean more towards the negative in our interpretation of our lives.
Tristan Paylor:can do for your psychological health. And whatever it is, you're trying to get done. So you know, that little dose of a Trine from Jupiter saying, hey, like, think about all the ways that you're
Ada Pembroke:Jupiter is also the planet of wisdom. And one of the ways that positivity can express itself is as a insistence that no matter what happens, you're going to get something out of it.
Tristan Paylor:Yeah. Which is a valuable lesson. Yeah. I think that's very much Keith attitude. It's like I didn't I didn't lose in that situation. I learned that that thing wasn't for me, whereas
Kyle Pierce:Yeah. It vacillate between the two mindsets.
Tristan Paylor:There's also the try and as I mentioned, is going on between the fourth and eighth houses and property and real estate have been really important in Keith's life. So I think that's
Tristan Paylor:homeowner for our generation, it's really hard to stop renting it's it's really hard to actually become a homeowner and Keith has the skills to be able to take property that isn't in great shape
Kyle Pierce:Well, that's very eighth house to mean you get to like, you know, broadly like the resources of other people but I find like it's like the stuff that other people when mainstream
Tristan Paylor:Yeah, I think the other thing I wanted to mention about this train as I think it's We've seen an example of how trains can work out well for the person who's making use of that energy
Tristan Paylor:make sacrifices for other people. And so that that trine between the Moon and Jupiter isn't just sort of like making him lucky and optimistic, but it's actually really supporting the people around
Tristan Paylor:planets are and how they sort of reflect the complexities of our own lives that again, we have this sort of the Moon and Jupiter, you know, both represent ease and comfort and just feeling nice. And
Kyle Pierce:Totally, totally. Yeah.
Ada Pembroke:I love that we're talking about a moon in the eighth house in the context of triumphs, because I feel like, you know, a lot of times people will see a moon in the eighth house and will be
Tristan Paylor:expanding the there are no limits to what the eighth house can do. Because Jupiter is on the job.
Ada Pembroke:Oh, no. Yeah, but I think that necessarily mean that you know, everything is going to be ruined forever, just because you have the moon in the eighth house.
Tristan Paylor:Yeah, and I think it's really important to, I think that's why it's important to give those sorts of everyday examples, because it's really easy to see extreme symbolism playing out
Tristan Paylor:Yeah,
Kyle Pierce:I absolutely agree. Reach. Yeah.
Tristan Paylor:Does not is not scary. You can have things in the eighth house and you're going to be fine. And people who don't have things in the eighth house, they still have to deal with death.
Kyle Pierce:Yeah, not everything about the houses is about death and terrible things.
Tristan Paylor:Sometimes it's about shooting your best friend with a cupcake cannon and you just had some very unconventional fun.
Ada Pembroke:Or you can inherit Elvis as money like his daughter did during an eighth house. Oh, yeah.
Tristan Paylor:That's such. Speaking of speaking of why Old celebrity examples. I think maybe I should search for a link if anyone is anyone is now more curious about different eighth house
Ada Pembroke:It was one of the ones on annual perfections I think.
Tristan Paylor:Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. The ruler of the second in the eighth
Kyle Pierce:in the in the second.
Ada Pembroke:Yeah. Okay, so I have really down to earth example. Nice. He's a resident of California where he lives with his wife and two children. Yeah, no, it's Prince Harry.
Kyle Pierce:Oh, yeah. Just like as his mother, Capricorn rising Saturn in Scorpio.
Ada Pembroke:I have got a princess Di's chart. I really do
Kyle Pierce:actually notice mother grandmother, my dad, I haven't actually looked. I don't think in a while.
Ada Pembroke:I'm such an anglophile, like, makes me think that Prince Harry is going to be
Kyle Pierce:the king somehow, but I don't know.
Ada Pembroke:Well, I mean, maybe that would be kind of, well, it would be tragic for for the royal family, but it would be really interesting. Okay.
Kyle Pierce:I'm not as well versed on the royal family. My partner Megan is very well versed on it as well. I know a lot of people who are, but it's why I don't like to say too much. Because I feel
Ada Pembroke:Well, I'm not too invested. I watched the crown religiously, but Oh, yeah. I love that show so much. But I just find Harry and his grandmother's charts so fascinating. These days, I've
Ada Pembroke:that, you know, situation where everybody else can see how much of a rebel he is and he clearly has no idea. So he's most famous recently for leaving the royal family which is appropriate for somebody
Ada Pembroke:moved to first to Canada and then to America. And I think that Harry has withdrawn from some of his titles, though he still stylists himself, the Duke of Sussex. And so he has the sun in Virgo, and he
Ada Pembroke:and children. And so you've got the situation things really heated up for Harry after he had children, and started worrying about the security of his children. And so you've got the sun in
Ada Pembroke:with the previous charts, because you know, if you have this endless optimism, and you think that you can swallow Russia, you're going to get yourself and everybody else around you in trouble. And
Ada Pembroke:where the moon likes to be as well. The Moon is exalted in Taurus. So it's a well placed Moon as well, in the house of pleasure. And you can see this Trine acting out in his life as this predator
Kyle Pierce:doing what's best for his children, but also his, his wife, which is the seventh house.
Tristan Paylor:Yeah, that's right. He has because he's a Capricorn rising, his seventh house is cancer. So it's ruled by the moon. So it's all the moon is all it's a symbol that combines everyone
Tristan Paylor:upon all of us who has big glorious thing in the sky. So it's a very, very cool symbol to see in the chart of a royal but, you know, being like ADA said, and that sort of critical sign and the act that
Tristan Paylor:implications. And the reason behind the decision was not just like, Oh, my career's getting in the way, it's like, my family is legitimately in danger. Because of how high profile we are.
Kyle Pierce:Yeah, speaking of trying to Mercury in Virgo Trine, Jupiter in Capricorn, as first and there's sort of like an emphasis on that theme, as well with like that, you know, very, like
Tristan Paylor:Yeah. And it's like, there's a lot, it's a lot of harmony. You know, these three houses, there's something in the first, the fifth and the ninth house in his chart. So by sign
Tristan Paylor:road. And given the planets involved like Jupiter and Capricorn. You know, JUPITER is exalted in cancer, so it's considered to be in its fall in Capricorn. So when we have Jupiter in Capricorn,
Ada Pembroke:I love how you're bringing up the the Jupiter and Capricorn issue there. One of my favorite descriptions of Jupiter in Capricorn is description that Austin Copic talked about on the
Ada Pembroke:you mentioned this a little already grounded but less than the sense of you know, grounded in an earthy sense but grounded more in the sense of, you know, teenagers get grounded for for staying out
Kyle Pierce:it's it's like it's still trying to be Jupiter it's still trying to like Yeah, bring about you know, positive ends its nature is well intention. And, but it's sort of having to do that
Tristan Paylor:Right. Noticing another example. Sorry, go ahead. I was just gonna say this is this was great.
Ada Pembroke:Thank you. I literally pulled this one off the top of the stack of tabs. So I'm glad that is a good example. But I'm noticing as we're talking that there's also this trine between
Kyle Pierce:Yeah, and what Mercury is in the superior position of that Trine, and my general rule on that is like, you know, maybe give like a bump to the planet in superior position where they're
Tristan Paylor:corruption is often kind of a, I think we often use it to say, like, everything is ruined, but it's more so that like, there are flaws in this system. And if those flaws are not
Kyle Pierce:Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So shall we move on to the square aspect?
Ada Pembroke:Yes. Do it.
Kyle Pierce:Or moving on to the square aspect? Yeah. What do you guys tend to think about when you think about the square?
Tristan Paylor:Well, it is the aspect of Mars. So square is not a gentle, easygoing, relaxed relationship. It creates heat, it creates prickliness, it creates motion. dynamic tension is a good
Kyle Pierce:it's very energized, for sure. Feel like it's either can be combative, or can be a little like supercharged, a little hyperactive, even. Yeah, obviously, depending on on the planets
Tristan Paylor:it's the, it's the aspect of moderate Amity or hatred in the picot tricks and moderation is the aspect of perfect hatred.
Kyle Pierce:Ah, yes. Oh
Ada Pembroke:my goodness.
Tristan Paylor:I love that hyperbolic language in traditional texts.
Kyle Pierce:There's certainly a potential I guess, for that it can be but it's um, I guess when I just think about it. It's like you have the houses right and So, especially in ancient astrology,
Ada Pembroke:Well, I have to be contrary, again. In the trends episode, I said that I didn't like trines, I actually like squares quite a lot. Part of that is my own personal bias, I have a ton of
Ada Pembroke:that there is so much potential for creativity, and there isn't just potential like you, you absolutely are required if you have a square to figure out how to be creative, or it's going to be
Tristan Paylor:you become like the health and safety inspector for your, your workplace, you know, who's responsible for spotting danger, and alerting people to danger. So you're kind of like
Ada Pembroke:I love that.
Kyle Pierce:I think you made a good point too, about, you know, having Squares Between like Angular houses does seem like almost like the appropriate place for squares. Granted, I've seen, you know,
Kyle Pierce:pleasant or more, or both, you know, in fact, most of the time, any aspect is going to be a combination of, of good and bad things.
Tristan Paylor:We do have a previous episode, grand crosses and the birth chart of dough. Yeah. Yeah, in October, where my friend Jack wrote in and was kind enough to share her chart and she has
Kyle Pierce:Yeah, I think that's the essence of the square just moving constantly. And they require I think you were making good points to ADA with the it's like they require constant negotiation. So
Kyle Pierce:that, I guess? I don't know, how do you guys end up treating the planet that's say earlier, in zodiacal order, or on the to the right, Tristan, you will explain this better than I will define
Tristan Paylor:So you'll you'll hear a few different terms to describe this, overcoming as one that our listener wrote in, as I thank you for your question. Asking you know about the term overcoming
Tristan Paylor:and you've got Saturn in Capricorn in the seventh house. So these two planets are squaring each other. Saturn is earlier in zodiacal order. And if you just look at the chart, if you look at the 90
Tristan Paylor:it and then you'll see the one that is on the right hand side of that 90 degree angle is the planet that is overcoming the other planet.
Kyle Pierce:Yeah, I like to just imagine myself standing in the middle of the chart. And like I'm looking at it from like a bird's eye view. And I just have a planet in any aspect. It's not, it's
Kyle Pierce:before. Maybe that sort of sets the template for the relationship and the planet in inferior position might be responding to it or, or picking up what was maybe dictated or laid down by the
Tristan Paylor:That's sort of like what situation did your predecessor leave for you to deal with? Yeah.
Ada Pembroke:I really liked the way that you were talking about time. Because the whole spatial metaphor of you know, this one is on the right side of the chart, there's, there's something about
Ada Pembroke:But I find that that that metaphor works better with with my brain, this is a slightly more violent example, because we're talking about about weapons instead of instead of children playing a game of
Kyle Pierce:back. That was totally the next thing I was gonna say, because that's literally what I like to think about as a car chase. And, you know, when you're being chased, you're in the maybe the
Tristan Paylor:That's a really, really good illustration. Thank you ADA.
Kyle Pierce:Yeah, but you also get a term that comes up a lot in traditional astrology is the idea of a hurling array, the aspect is within three degrees. On either side, separating or applying, I've
Tristan Paylor:you can really kind of get them in your crosshairs because if a planet I mean the whole aspects are based on the idea of being able to see. So if an aspect is really close, it means
Kyle Pierce:Yeah, like just not Yeah, like an awkward angle or, or something. I the other metaphor I like to think about too, is, especially because you get a lot of the phrasing, like in traditional
Kyle Pierce:more.
Tristan Paylor:Yeah, I think it's important to include that bit of nuance as well, that having the high ground or, you know, being the one with the Head Start doesn't necessarily mean that everything
Ada Pembroke:Well, I was just thinking about maybe moving this a little bit more practical. Yeah, it's important to understand that the technical but but why do you use this why, why is this
Ada Pembroke:peaceful. But with the overcoming doctrine, it's, it's not the way it works, you have one planet that is influencing the other one, if Venus is overcoming then Venus is making Mars more peaceful.
Ada Pembroke:not so much as people, I think that it, it makes the, the metaphor, a bit easier to understand and less uncomfortable.
Kyle Pierce:Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I think that was a perfect way of, of describing that relationship, to gave just one caveat that I always try to think about too, which makes it more
Kyle Pierce:people who are your superiors.
Tristan Paylor:You can have different kinds of bosses, right? Do you have a boss who's really who's whose leadership style is more about collaboration and cooperation, or do you have a boss whose
Ada Pembroke:Sorry. By the same token, you can have employees that are more or less inclined to cooperate.
Tristan Paylor:That's very true.
Kyle Pierce:Absolutely. Some employees can be especially obstinate what Megan used to term, precision mediocrity. Just doing exactly, exactly the amount of work that you need to do to not get
Ada Pembroke:or passive aggression or just not sure Ah, you can't fire the planets in your birth chart. so if they just decide that they're gonna rage quit, like,
Kyle Pierce:Yeah, I think that's a thing to consider just with all the aspects, you're gonna get more of that domineering relationship with maybe like a square, I would say, one being in a superior
Ada Pembroke:I like to think about it in terms of colors. Like, in the case of the square, you know, it's, it's a bit more of an aggressive combination, you might have, like, purple and orange.
Ada Pembroke:with the square, it's like, you know, you you can combine Purple and orange, but it might not. It might not be particularly pleasant.
Kyle Pierce:Oh, ya know, when I used to draw, I like that analogy a lot. Actually. I, I really liked contrast a lot. I actually used a lot of chalk and charcoal to create really like dynamic
Ada Pembroke:I love that.
Kyle Pierce:Well, with that, do we want to maybe dig into our examples a little bit?
Tristan Paylor:Let's do it. Who's going
Kyle Pierce:first zone one burst,
Tristan Paylor:or one of the ADA to go earlier this time?
Ada Pembroke:Oh, that's right. I am bringing in Nicole Kidman to the party. Nice. So I'm everybody's favorite. You know, bringing Nicole Kidman party. In all seriousness, her birth data is
Tristan Paylor:she wasn't there for very long before the family moved to Australia. Right. Like she grew up in Australia.
Ada Pembroke:But she, I mean, there's plenty of sun in Australia too. But she was in Hawaii long enough to get a Hawaiian name which I think is so cool. Yeah, right. I looked it up. I forget what
Kyle Pierce:Vikings are awesome. Yeah.
Ada Pembroke:Oh yeah. The Vikings are excellent on screen if they are you know, charging up your beach. Maybe you might have second thoughts.
Kyle Pierce:Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Ada Pembroke:So she was fantastic in that and I just started watching nine Perfect Strangers last night and her. She She plays this Russian wellness expert who runs a day spa, which is like our not
Kyle Pierce:there's a green Mars.
Ada Pembroke:So Mercury, Mars, squares between Jupiter and the north and south node. So that counts as two. And then there's a Pluto, Uranus conjunction and Virgo. And both of them are square the Moon
Kyle Pierce:I'm really curious. Sorry, I want to cut you off. No, no, go ahead. I, I'm just I've never really had a solid method for interpreting aspects with nodes, you know, I've read like
Ada Pembroke:So I'm gonna focus on on the other aspects, because I didn't know what your thoughts were about the nodes and, and so on. But I love squares to the notes. They are like one of my
Ada Pembroke:especially weak. And I have seen over and over and over again in my life, just how much Saturn dominates my son. And I have all kinds of patterns that have been with me my entire life of kind of
Kyle Pierce:You seem very sunny and shiny to me.
Ada Pembroke:Even Yeah, I mean, I have the sun is my chart ruler, I have Leo rising, I have it in the 10th house. But it is actually a really, really big deal for me to be on a podcast. I have been
Ada Pembroke:that people really underestimate. But I'm getting getting away ahead of myself, trying to establish my relationship with the notes. And why I think the way I do so, in evolutionary astrology squares
Ada Pembroke:something resolved before they can move on. In order for you to engage in serious spiritual growth in your lifetime. You need to address the unresolved business that you have with any planet square
Ada Pembroke:the need for career success. And so you can see in her in her career history, she had a relationship with Tom Cruise that was one of her more successful relationships until her most recent relationship
Ada Pembroke:she was in a situation where she really had to choose between her career and his career, her career or her relationship. And she decided to end the relationship and in a sense that the decision to end
Ada Pembroke:final answer. She had to go through that Threshold Guardian experience where she did choose her career over herself in her relationships in order for her to be able to move on from that question.
Kyle Pierce:That's really interesting. I love that but I remember a time where I was actually looking for maybe that exact bit of information. It's really cool. Today's sky shows up for Mr. Days
Ada Pembroke:is it is my go to book on the nodes. It's what I teach, and it's it has. I have done hundreds of past life readings just to Using what I learned from yesterday sky, and it's been, it's
Kyle Pierce:out there, check it out. It's fantastic. It's interesting too, because you can get like, I like, almost like the Vedic approach to the nodes is just because you can get you they end
Ada Pembroke:Yes, I was very heavily involved i in high school, I worked at punk club and was was a stage manager and water bottle seller. Yeah, it is the punk scene and Connecticut dominated my life
Kyle Pierce:I was going to show her to hear on astrology hotline. No.
Ada Pembroke:You have me convinced for sure.
Kyle Pierce:But I mean that that's one of many manifestations, maybe of the notes. And anyway, I don't want to detract you from Nicole Kidman.
Tristan Paylor:Now, there's some juicy squares in this chart. I know I feel like Erina I feel like on the islands
Kyle Pierce:derailed you from gordonii talk about? Were you going to talk about the notes or no?
Ada Pembroke:I did really want to talk about the notes. Okay, good. All right, seriously, but like,
Tristan Paylor:I mean, it's still relevant because I think it is kind of a common question. Oh, yeah. Do you want it to double to the nodes mean anything because they're not planets. So I think
Ada Pembroke:Thank you. So I just wanted to spend a few minutes talking about this really interesting aspect that she has between Mercury in cancer at 20 degrees and Mars and Libra at 18
Ada Pembroke:hard time not starting stuff by accident. And because that 12th House planet tends to be outside of conscious awareness. It creates a situation where the person is starting arguments or acting like a
Ada Pembroke:perspective and the ability to see very clearly. And that is keeping an eye on that Mars in Libra and doing so with that Cancerian ability to understand the emotional impact of things that emotional
Ada Pembroke:the the Mars in Libra being held in check being held under control.
Kyle Pierce:Yeah, no, that's, that's really interesting. I'm just like, looking at her chart again here. And I sort of, especially like when there's like maybe a combination of a square and a sextile
Kyle Pierce:way of speaking that, you know, maybe Mars and Libra. I often think of the movie mean girls a little bit. You know, it's a bit of a stereotype. But it's like, there is some sometimes you get a little
Kyle Pierce:a Mars Mercury square, Mars, superior side. But what it seems to consistently describe, especially when Mars is overcoming is just about foul language, just like a tendency towards profanity, which I
Ada Pembroke:And she was born in Honolulu. But she grew up in Australia. That
Kyle Pierce:will Australians always they're always swearing, right?
Ada Pembroke:Yes, the entire country.
Kyle Pierce:But then when you get like mercury in the it's like you can sort of turn it on or turn it off. A little more mercury kind of has the upper hand as opposed to it being like impulsive, or
Tristan Paylor:Do we know I also know very little about Nicole Kidman. Do we know much about her take on spirituality? Is she religious or spiritual at all? Has she spoken at all about that kind of
Tristan Paylor:anything like that in her life that we know about that might further illustrate that square.
Kyle Pierce:I'm immediately thinking about and I actually don't know her a little bit more about like Katie Holmes says, marriage with Tom Cruise. But Nicole Kidman was married to Tom Cruise and
Tristan Paylor:Right The Golden Compass critical of Christianity.
Kyle Pierce:That's interesting. That's like a ninth house figure. Saying I don't like that.
Tristan Paylor:Um, she does have overcoming squares. There is a T square in her chart with Mars, Saturn and mercury. So Mercury is overcoming Mars, but Santa. Yeah, the Aries is overcoming mercury
Kyle Pierce:have a good example. But yeah, well, actually, it looks like so she told Entertainment Weekly that the Catholic Church is part of her essence and that her religious beliefs would prevent
Tristan Paylor:like that does Yeah. This seems very Mars in Libra. And being a spokesperson, you can see the ship going both ways. They're a little bit I feel like Mars and Libra works best when
Kyle Pierce:Yeah. That is interesting. So to that, like she actually sense that she won't take roles that are kind of anti Catholic, for Mercury's for overcoming Mars, sort of saying no to to
Tristan Paylor:and mercury, especially like in the sign like cancer, which tends to be connected to tradition, and to what you were brought up. She was brought up Catholic. Yeah. I mean, it sounds
Ada Pembroke:I'm sorry. It's interesting that she decided to do that after the Golden Compass. I mean, that's, that was a really high profile movie. And it was a the church tends to criticize
Ada Pembroke:don't necessarily like in that particular instance, informing her decisions?
Tristan Paylor:That's almost like mercury is saying, Keep this sacred. Like, this is one thing we can keep in the 12th. House. Yeah, it's out of public view. This is for you alone. And for the
Kyle Pierce:Oh, yeah. When you see that there's negotiation sort of going on maybe her and mercury in the sense, Mars can still maybe take on the roles that it wants to learn.
Ada Pembroke:And Saturn in Aries to it's almost like, it looks to me, looking at this chart, like Mars and Saturn are two sides of the teeter totter. And Mercury is kind of mediating between them.
Tristan Paylor:the T square is a good example of how much nuance and complexity and contradiction there is, within a single person that you've kind of got all of these different aspects of yourself
Tristan Paylor:religion with Nicole Kidman. And not being in the Golden Compass was controversial, I guess, being raised Catholic, but nothing compared to like, I don't know, there have been some pretty huge
Ada Pembroke:It makes me wonder how much of that is smoothed over by, by that Venus, in soft aspect with both Mars and Saturn, right, to go back into the whole chart? Again? I
Unknown:mean, it's, it's, well,
Ada Pembroke:it's very tempting
Kyle Pierce:to, I mean, I think it's okay to do that a little bit for us. Because I think the idea is to get a sense of how to interpret, you know, one aspect is not going to tell you the story,
Kyle Pierce:things that are groups that are maybe advocating for things that are not things that the Catholic Church would be terribly in favor of not saying the Catholic Church is pro domestic violence, but
Ada Pembroke:the Democratic Party. Yeah, the Democratic Party is the the party of is the pro choice party. And she's not directly working on those sorts of things that would get her in trouble with
Kyle Pierce:But she's worked directly with Pelosi on multiple things, too, which is, you know, it's just interesting. Sorry, I don't mean to cut you off.
Ada Pembroke:No, no, it's fine. I haven't heard of you off the entire time. So she's able to work with this organization that in certain ways, the Catholic church might see it as, quote, unquote,
Kyle Pierce:Well, I think T squares, maybe in general or discard aspects, it's like they require a lot of sort of careful navigation, like to find ways of appeasing maybe both topics or the you know,
Ada Pembroke:It's a really interesting T square because of the involvement of Saturn and the fact that T squares have the tendency to be like a three legged chair, you're constantly in a balancing
Kyle Pierce:it's in the sixth than Yeah, it's a tough one. But I think it helps it there's reception, which is maybe one one of the things that I always look at for aspects generally. You
Ada Pembroke:It's like the chart of mitigating factors. This would be difficult to accept.
Kyle Pierce:Yeah. Well, and it's still, it's difficult, but it doesn't mean that it's useless or that it doesn't have ways of working. Oh, no charges useless. I mean, she, I would say put, it's one
Tristan Paylor:Renee apples. Yeah,
Kyle Pierce:I probably probably should.
Tristan Paylor:Did you want to bring up your examples, Kyle? Or do you want me to go first? Are you like, raring to go? I'm happy to go last
Kyle Pierce:aren't you go for it. Okay.
Tristan Paylor:So hang on. I'm going to send you I have two charts. Two examples. I just wanted to go over briefly. So my first example of the square is from one of my favorite greats in the history
Tristan Paylor:really smart, he loved pigeons. And he was able to teach them all kinds of things. He actually worked on a project to build a pigeon guided missile. It didn't it so it had a very successful test
Tristan Paylor:so between them, the moon is applying to Saturn, the moon moves very quickly. So you, I mean, there we as we discussed at the beginning of this, of the aspects series, there are all kinds of
Kyle Pierce:That's how far I think Mars, the Moon is from the square to
Tristan Paylor:Yeah, it's like so it's, it's still Moon wise, it's still pretty close square. And the reason I found this particular square really interesting is that both the moon and Saturn are
Tristan Paylor:predictions. And so psychology was kind of struggling to make actual predictions about human behavior. And behaviorism comes along and tries to really focus only on what we can observe about
Tristan Paylor:fact that he's got this exalted moon, in a square with Saturn being really significant in his chart, I thought was very interesting. He believed that free will was an illusion, he was a radical
Tristan Paylor:up? And how much sunlight was there? Did you grow up in the Far North? Do you grow close to the equator, like these are all things that you have zero control over, that influenced the course of
Tristan Paylor:And then, of course, you have, you know, Saturn being involved in this square, which also has a lot to do with fate, as well as skepticism and doubt. So, you know, believing free will is an illusion.
Tristan Paylor:fun project that folks undertook recently, to get some sense of BF Skinner's personality, there is probably the most scientific and most useful way of assessing personality in psychology is what is
Tristan Paylor:was that he scores very high on conscientiousness, on the big five. And that also feels very, like moon in an earth sign square to a dignified Saturn conscientiousness is the personality trait of
Kyle Pierce:Such a good example. Really, even just like that, like relaxation is dangerous. And the moon is in Taurus, like in the fifth house, which is very much the house of just like, doing your
Kyle Pierce:like your, your instinctive sort of biological response reactions to things.
Tristan Paylor:Like a moon is like it is conditions like conditions is a good word for the moon, but whatever conditioning you're in, that's the moon And Saturn is in the overcoming position sort
Kyle Pierce:Yeah. But it's interesting though, too, which is, she doesn't relate to the square directly. But it's actually maybe a good way of thinking about when you're trying to interpret an
Tristan Paylor:teaching, and just punishment does not work well.
Kyle Pierce:And his third house, say quite a bit about teaching has Venus in pisces, and so as the Sun and Mercury in pisces, but the fifth house to you know, has a lot to do with like students, as
Tristan Paylor:It's, I mean, teaching was up he was and he was really like educational reform was really important to him. It's one of the things I really admire about him. Yeah. But like his
Kyle Pierce:Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. But like, yeah, very systematized and structured. Yes, Saturn. Go ahead and say something.
Ada Pembroke:Well, something that I think is really interesting about this Saturn and Aquarius square the Moon in Taurus is I see this tension between the individual, the home and the family.
Ada Pembroke:to a understanding of maybe the environment that we were raised on is in is bigger than the small parent child relationship that we're we're raised with not that it isn't important, of course, so
Kyle Pierce:Skinner actually wrote quite a bit on politics. He was very interested in like solving the bigger issues.
Tristan Paylor:Still, I think still existing a commune based off of his utopia is utopia. He had a whole social system, wrote a novel and in which you, you know, this whole social system is described
Kyle Pierce:Yeah. Yeah, it's like he wanted to approach you know, the big solve the big issue. Have humanity literally wanted to prevent humanity from destroying itself? By creating a technology of
Ada Pembroke:One of the potential expressions of Saturn and a sign that it rules is out of control, control control limits. ticularly. In
Kyle Pierce:a night chart, yeah.
Ada Pembroke:Oh, yeah. That's just
Tristan Paylor:for sure. And I think, I mean, I'm not an expert. But I think, you know, the, the consensus, probably largely in psychology now is that some of the conclusions that the behaviorists
Kyle Pierce:Oh, yeah. Sometimes you need like, the extreme version of something to Yeah, sort of lay down a precedent for it, and then we can sort it out afterwards. Yeah. And find out what to use
Ada Pembroke:I mean, it's, it's very scientific, isolating everything else, so that you can study one thing directly, it's like, he's he removed all of the other factors aside from behavior. And,
Kyle Pierce:I do just want to read this quick. It's actually a summary from the Wikipedia article on him. But just in reference to his approach to you know, his utopia that he wanted to create was,
Tristan Paylor:It's, it's interesting, because it feels like Saturn and the moon are trying to resolve the tension. Very much like Saturn. Saturn's being kinda left is in the position of
Kyle Pierce:Yeah. And how can we make this a model for for the world? Yeah, how can we make this the thing that everybody does?
Tristan Paylor:Yeah, as you get, you get the very transpersonal stuff going on with Saturn and Aquarius has more to do with society at large than just your own personal interests.
Ada Pembroke:And I think it shows the importance of dignity here because both of those planets are dignified and so neither of them are threatened and so it enables them to come together to create
Tristan Paylor:Yeah,
Kyle Pierce:often, like hard relationships are just strong relationships between super dignified planets. You know, they tend to play out more favorably kinda, but sometimes they like. It's like
Tristan Paylor:well, there's definitely sort of a, like the legacy of behaviorism is sort of viewed in a negative light a lot of the time, especially in popular culture. I mean, some of these ideas
Tristan Paylor:behavior. So with token economies, people are able to sort of exchange like they do certain things, and they are rewarded with tokens, and then they can exchange those tokens for things that they
Tristan Paylor:personally think he's a little misunderstood. I don't agree with everything. But yeah, with the stuff like, you know, positive reinforcement. Yeah, it's manipulative. It's absolutely their
Ada Pembroke:Right, it's manipulative. But that's that's exactly the point of the system. It's to change the way that people behave. Like it's, it's a tautology to say that it's, it's meant to be
Kyle Pierce:But anyway, maybe on like a closing note, for BF Skinner, maybe just thinking about, like, the house is between those two squares. The second and the fifth. Is you do notice, like his
Tristan Paylor:He said, relaxation is done? Yeah.
Kyle Pierce:But it sounds like what he's talking about, like his utopia, he's also stating that like, yeah, we need the right amount of these things. So it's like he's really trying to answer
Tristan Paylor:I'm glad you brought that up, because that was also going to be my sort of finishing point was I think this is a good example of the house based aspects. And also, when you look at
Tristan Paylor:relaxation.
Kyle Pierce:And is one of the ruler of his first houses. Second house
Tristan Paylor:ever everything is kind of headed in that direction. Anyway, it's all to the second house.
Kyle Pierce:Yeah, do we have anything else on? Yep. Skinner?
Ada Pembroke:This was a fantastic example.
Kyle Pierce:That was a really good one. I feel like
Ada Pembroke:I learned a lot.
Tristan Paylor:I did too. I, when I was doing my psych course, to help me remember, all of the important who was who I would just look up their charts. And I became, it's funny, because when I
Tristan Paylor:yeah, it all it all kind of started here. So then looking at his chart, I was like, this is super fun.
Kyle Pierce:It's a hard act to follow up. But I believe in you realize we've seen so much time on squares, but I least want to try to get these these two in. They are
Ada Pembroke:they are I think that they're maybe one of the hardest aspects to learn because I think we kind of understand you know, that we'll get to this when we talk about opposition's but the
Kyle Pierce:And they certainly have a win think of all the aspects the most energy to them. They are very energetic, which can be positive and negative. Yeah, they demand a lot,
Ada Pembroke:as a fiery person I love I love squares, because I feel like it gives me energy somewhere to go.
Kyle Pierce:Do you have been thinking about that in terms of temperament? Like because I want to incorporate that into like, I want to make it just a really thorough system for evaluating
Ada Pembroke:And you have to be profoundly creative, which is associated with fire as well.
Tristan Paylor:For sure, yeah, squares force you to get creative.
Kyle Pierce:Okay, so I have it's kind of two charts. Reason I want to use both is because they are Time Twins these two and they have a very similar charts and very similar aspects happening. But the
Kyle Pierce:Taurus, it's just barely separating square. But Mars is in the superior position. So it is sort of dominating the Sun to some degree, or trying to.
Tristan Paylor:Yeah, good luck with that. Yeah, that's
Kyle Pierce:what that's what makes this one very interesting is that you do have the sun in its own sign in some domicile. It's a joy in the house of joy. It's very powerful. Yeah, Mars is also in the
Tristan Paylor:trying to find something to do in the house of Venus thing again, I like your bowl. metaphor, Allah Aina, where Mars is, like, in the teashop and Mars needs something to do. Mars is
Kyle Pierce:Yeah. So well, you know, the sun in Leo. It's like a performer, right? Which, you know, we have an actor, right? It doesn't, not really a huge surprise there. But when she was a child, she
Kyle Pierce:in just like old traditional texts. Mars when it's overcoming the sun talks about fear and defeat, it's kind of like, anxiety inducing for her. The fact that she was able to like start doing the Leo
Tristan Paylor:interesting. Yeah, we did mention that. Yeah, so it's within that three
Kyle Pierce:degrees, it's able to like hurled right back at Mars, like, you know what I'm gonna perform anyway, fuck you. And that being a way to fight back. But uh, one of the things that seems
Ada Pembroke:Yeah, it's like those enemies are interfering with her ability to shine.
Kyle Pierce:Exactly. And it's like taking hits to like that, like has to attack the competence, right? Making you feel less competent in what you're doing mixing, making you want to maybe not
Tristan Paylor:It's almost like a, this could be the chart of many, many celebrities in a sense, like just that configuration illustrates the nature of celebrity, be famous performer, where you
Kyle Pierce:That's a really good point. Especially when we get into our second chart, which is a comedian Bo Burnham, who, like I said, it's a bit of a time twin. He was born, what like, less than
Tristan Paylor:the sun's still overcoming everybody. Yeah, Mars
Kyle Pierce:is sort of dominating everybody. And Leo, is Mercury and the Moon in Virgo in the 10th hole sign house. But it's very similar chart, it's just the moons moved from Gemini over to Virgo.
Kyle Pierce:depressed he was, basically, or just him confronting all of like, his personal shit, which has a lot to do with, like what you were saying, Tristan, sort of like that. The fear that comes with
Ada Pembroke:that it almost sounds like that might be an artifact of I see a couple of things here. One is Jupiter moving into Leo, which I think is a big factor but not relevant to, to the subject to
Kyle Pierce:Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It doesn't quite have that ability to compete continuously fight back because he actually has it. Almost say like 2017 ish, basically stopped doing comedy for
Kyle Pierce:has spoken a lot about, like he's very much aware of like his privilege as a male as like a straight white male, and is kind of constantly mocking it. He even like will kind of mock using your
Kyle Pierce:basically designed to turn the idea of the nice guy on his head. And the whole movie is really about exposing toxic masculinity. And you can see that symbolism of Mars taking on what you might call a
Kyle Pierce:that is what I kind of joke about, or that's like, the essence of the comedy is like that kind of thing.
Tristan Paylor:This Yeah, it made me think about Lady Gaga, and made me want to look up her chart because I was a really big Gaga fan when I was younger and went to one of her concerts when she was
Tristan Paylor:that was sustaining her life. And the imagery was just like so dark and gritty. And like borderline kind of disturbing. So yeah, like commenting on that weird relationship between like, I really want
Tristan Paylor:love attention I love being seen. When I was a kid, I wanted to be a famous actor. That was my dream. I wanted to be a performer. I love sharing stuff on social media. I just eat it up but I also
Tristan Paylor:out there that like things about me, I don't want the world to know could be exposed or they might criticize me like, Yeah, I think most of us probably can relate to that, which is probably why
Kyle Pierce:Once like, the willingness to face criticism is like a big part of maybe being a performer. I think one of the songs was, like, don't, you know, asking questions like, What would
Kyle Pierce:pretty much describing maybe his experience with that struggle. But it's also there's like, a lot of strong, like, ninth house component, too. And he was like, involved in, like youth church when he
Tristan Paylor:Mars overcoming the ninth house. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, maybe that's also part of bringing it back to the relationship between houses, the sixth house, overcomes the ninth house.
Tristan Paylor:of like your, you know, from your position, you're dictating morality to me, really. So I can, I can hear that sort of, Oh, yeah. Ting, Martian voice coming from the sixth house, talking to the ninth
Kyle Pierce:absolutely. But then I thought, like the privilege of being able to sit on your armchair and like pontificate and philosophize, like that does necessitate a certain amount of
Tristan Paylor:well, not so easily. You can be knocked down from that high place, the sixth never coming.
Kyle Pierce:But um, any more thoughts? We should probably wrap up this episode? I was talking about squares.
Ada Pembroke:No, I think we're good. I'm good anyway.
Kyle Pierce:Okay, well, we'll call the day then. And where can people find you at what do you have going on these days?
Ada Pembroke:Oh, goodness. You can find everything that I'm doing on eight upwork.com You can also find me on Instagram is my main social platform Instagram at Ada Pembroke. The biggest thing that
Kyle Pierce:I highly recommend I've had a reading with ADA and I can cannot recommend that Jesus cannot recommend it highly. And it
Tristan Paylor:was such a good experience that you're just tongue tied now.
Kyle Pierce:I seriously it was it was really good. I walked away feeling like super motivated and energized and like feeling connected with my wife, which is like what I want to feel after a
Tristan Paylor:There will be a link to my Instagram in the show notes. It's sable and Starlight. I am just basically making a Digital Journal of my explorations and magic and drudgery and stuff like
Ada Pembroke:Cool. And you?
Kyle Pierce:Oh, yeah. Well, as for me, you can always always book a reading with me on my website, Kyle Pierce, astrologer.com. You can find, you know, everything I'm up to over there as well. I'm
Ada Pembroke:something something healing gender and sexuality.
Tristan Paylor:Yeah. That sums it up pretty well. Yeah.
Kyle Pierce:So what is your talk going to be about? Oh, yeah, my talk is gonna be? Well, it's basically about the gender rising of astrology, and how it sort of ties in with temperament. And how
Ada Pembroke:Well, you wouldn't need half an hour an hour, 90 minutes to give the talk if you could explain the entire thing in two sentences. Yeah, I'm going to be talking about Venus and the moon
Kyle Pierce:yeah, I've always been interested in that how Mesopotamia was reversed for the masculine and the sun was feminine, right.
Ada Pembroke:And the moon rolled in the sun Sunday night, the sun was still the planet of the king, but the moon was in charge of everything, including the calendar, which is why they took such
Kyle Pierce:Yeah. Well, yeah, I highly recommend checking that out. Oh, good. See you. Hi. katsu.
Tristan Paylor:Hi, buddy.
Kyle Pierce:I literally thought he was gonna say hi back to me. But we were saying hi. All right, well, that'll do it for the aspects part two, and I hope that you will all join us next time for
Tristan Paylor:Thanks for listening.
Kyle Pierce:Thank you. If you have a question you'd like to hear answered on astrology hotline. Shoot us an email at astrology hotline pod@gmail.com
