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Wandering Stars: Tentacles of Truth
While I work on cleaning up part II of The Aspects, I'm slipping an episode of Wandering Stars - A new podcast hosted by astrologer Ada Pembroke and I - into the feed. Wandering Stars is a weekly podcast where Ada and I have a no holds barred 60 minute conversation about Astrology, and serve it up pure and unfiltered. This episode we talked about the differences between Virgo and Gemini and some of the creative ways Mars makes trouble. It also includes a special guest appearance by (the birth chart of) Charles XII of Sweden!
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Transcript
So yeah, I was talking about Gemini, right? Or
Ada:Well, you were the one talking.
Kyle Pierce:Was Yeah, you were okay. So you're saying that the
Ada:was discerning. So I feel like Gemini is like the fire
Ada:while also having the confidence in its own ability, and, you
Ada:moment. And then if I need more later, yeah,
Kyle Pierce:one, and that's all I can do. There we go. That's as
Kyle Pierce:really is the way that we think about it. Because it's like
Kyle Pierce:actually true, or something like I was actually looking at
Ada:And stay
Kyle Pierce:was quote that I really liked. That was like that
Kyle Pierce:because Gemini can like hold two totally opposite opinions at the
Kyle Pierce:the scary part of Gemini though, too. Because it's like capable
Ada:Yeah, absolutely. Like, I mean, we were talking about my
Ada:in Gemini, as I've run into this, like, they I cannot argue
Ada:But Gemini is aware of the fact I think at a fundamental level
Kyle Pierce:Oh, yeah. It's that's it. I mean, it. Shoot, I
Kyle Pierce:and ninth house houses. So there those two are exchanging and she
Kyle Pierce:catching, like, finding the fault, Virgo. It's like Virgo
Kyle Pierce:you in any argument, because they can just adopt the position
Kyle Pierce:that Mars in Aquarius, where it's like, a little more of a
Kyle Pierce:the moral flexibility, I think is what gives Gemini the bad
Ada:there is no truth. But what I say it is,
Kyle Pierce:yeah, what is it that it's true, then it's true.
Ada:But yeah, it's like, if we give you 1000 years, you're
Kyle Pierce:Yeah,
Ada:I move fast. I and I change my colors, and you never know
Kyle Pierce:Like when it doesn't have to stick to the
Kyle Pierce:I'll say I'll use this part. Where Charles the 12 was the
Kyle Pierce:which was always outnumbered by the enemy. And just charging
Ada:and you're starting to sound familiar, this is starting
Kyle Pierce:Yet the bit in common with draws the 12 though
Kyle Pierce:in them. And I use like maybe the progression of the moon a
Kyle Pierce:planets in the 11th house are generally causative because they
Kyle Pierce:going to into the 12th house, which is kind of the opposite
Ada:Oh, goodness, I'm gonna try not to take up the rest of our
Ada:progressed, Mars and Mercury have been conjunct for like the
Ada:like, I went Mars went into my 12th house cancer, it was, you
Ada:cancer, for me, it felt like, all of a sudden the lights went
Ada:sensitive, it felt like, you know, I went from being, you
Ada:vulnerable, and, you know, they should theoretically be the same
Ada:fundamentally different, you know, the, the sea snail doesn't
Ada:experience of being like, you know, I, I have not
Ada:that same fundamental nature, but it was like all of my old
Ada:octopus in the open ocean. And when my progressed, Mars went
Ada:would not have thought to start protecting myself that way, if I
Ada:that I already had as a Mars in Gemini. But the way that it did
Ada:moving into a new sign, and I'm right there with you, I really
Ada:it feels like all of a sudden your old way of being is
Kyle Pierce:gone. You're in unfamiliar territory. Yeah, like
Kyle Pierce:to Yeah, to defend has to have a den to protect now actually
Kyle Pierce:you're just like, I'm just going to conquer Russia. I'm just
Ada:as so cringe for me because I can see myself doing something
Kyle Pierce:That's a really good way to look at maybe
Kyle Pierce:about my progressed ascendant which moved into Leo and that
Ada:Everybody does. Somebody was just talking shit about
Kyle Pierce:Yeah, it's easy. But it's also there's it's
Ada:And the secret is I and I, I I've compared notes with a lot
Kyle Pierce:Yeah. I mean, I think that she's talking to
Kyle Pierce:there's, like a separateness that comes with authority. When
Kyle Pierce:to be, you know, singled out, in a sense, maybe the sun in Leo,
Kyle Pierce:to be more connected and equal with people. The Taurus, Taurus
Ada:This is the influence of my Aquarius moon or what but I find
Ada:in certain songs by them into the music. I was like, I know
Ada:to be a rock star. And then once you're actually in the position
Ada:position of seeing how everybody else shines and it's like, this
Kyle Pierce:that I think it depends on with cancer. I feel
Kyle Pierce:nighttime Leo, you know, it's I don't know how many cancers you
Ada:really just turned to our explicit reading just there
Kyle Pierce:might have been Banani. I don't know, saying
Kyle Pierce:made them lazy and slack off. But also, when you get drunk,
Kyle Pierce:And it's like, yes, until you're in and then once you're in, Hey,
Kyle Pierce:become a lot of Leo II kind of qualities, but it's the
Ada:Oh, that's for damn sure. I feel like I resonate with that a
Ada:just a just a, or even a Scorpio maybe like a very, very
Ada:absolutely. She's a Leo rising. Like, there's no doubt about
Kyle Pierce:Yeah. Yeah. And see, that's a funny thing,
Kyle Pierce:people or something those, that shell Yeah, it's like because
Kyle Pierce:guess. We think the moon signified like signifies like
Ada:which middle class I feel like the gap between the lower
Kyle Pierce:Yeah. I mean, I think it's seven would be more
Kyle Pierce:I don't know about Taurus, though. Taurus is little to
Ada:no, I don't think so. Yeah. We cannot be the sign of bankers
Ada:so much marzi shit going on in my chart. But like, I feel like
Ada:many times before.
Kyle Pierce:Yeah, I mean, it's it's, it's Like anything like
Ada:I say just go for it.
Kyle Pierce:Like I get I get it, I don't know it's like when
Kyle Pierce:about to make it pop out. But then it's like you end up with a
Ada:Yeah, all of the nuances gone yeah. You just get a world
Kyle Pierce:That's exactly it. What do we what do we do about
Ada:We need more Scorpios we need more cancers you know we
Kyle Pierce:yeah yeah, I know that for interesting sign
Kyle Pierce:undermining people's expectations. A few get that
Ada:Oh, yeah, I have a Scorpio person in my life who used to
Ada:school and like, I got the industrial gear with like, you
Kyle Pierce:And just it's because that's like areas will
Kyle Pierce:think? Yeah, I win. Like I always think of like a scorpion,
Kyle Pierce:disguise. I feel like I can always spot like Scorpios are so
Kyle Pierce:that they're being or something. I don't know. It's a weird game
Kyle Pierce:fast because I like this. I'm not trying to get a reaction out
Ada:exactly the same way. Or like I lived in like the Wasp
Ada:talk about class like I was definitely a fish out of water
Ada:know, like, piercing my ears in the middle of math classes and
Kyle Pierce:am. I'm just expressing myself organically.
Kyle Pierce:anyway, am I trying to get attention? But like I totally
Kyle Pierce:like Leo is just equipped to deal with that arena? Like, I
Ada:Healthy Leo? Yeah, healthy Leo that knows what it's doing
Ada:this is bad, or this is easy to use, or this is not easy to use,
Ada:image that I used at one point, I don't remember if it was on
Ada:of their tail, but doesn't actually know that they're doing
Ada:people who don't have a lot of support from other signs, or
Ada:Leo rising Well, the reason why Trump is such a problem is
Ada:you're gonna be the most obnoxious person in the room.
Ada:Leo rising is that I'm essentially like a golden
Ada:know, you're in my in my safe cancer zone, I guess. You know,
Ada:window. I will. I will show it unabashedly. And I realized that
Ada:I bring to the table. And if people don't like it, they're
Kyle Pierce:Yeah. And I think that Leo is I mean, that's how
Kyle Pierce:challenge, and maybe the big difference between like Cancer
Kyle Pierce:what what kind of weirdo or what kind of what the ridiculous
Kyle Pierce:honestly, it's what makes cancers really nice to be around
Kyle Pierce:or?
Ada:Oh, absolutely. Yeah. The quality of the night sect
Ada:it's constantly looking at building rapport. And Mars is
Kyle Pierce:Well, it's back to temperament. Like, we're just
Ada:No, this is perfect, because I was talking about this
Kyle Pierce:Yeah, it's I think the point is to try to just go
Ada:we need to do a content warning. This is only partly
Kyle Pierce:Well, you know what it's about until until it's
Ada:Oh, hell no, that's the fun of it.
Kyle Pierce:I know I like got to jump in for the conversation
Kyle Pierce:the response of cold and wetness of phlegmatic the phlegmatic
Kyle Pierce:for a person is they tend to be more self critical, and self
Kyle Pierce:people, but that sort of means letting go of something about
Kyle Pierce:about this today. But
Ada:the word that I that comes to mind, for me is softness.
Ada:to make changes so that the the meshing will fit properly. And
Kyle Pierce:Yeah. But knowing the right amount of things
Kyle Pierce:get too extreme on it. And you get sort of the worst of it.
Kyle Pierce:self. Yeah. And
Ada:you've just become absorbed in the sponge.
Kyle Pierce:Yeah. Are you? And that's maybe the other thing is
Kyle Pierce:water. wear you down. But I think that's also maybe the
Kyle Pierce:like, Oh, this is where I compromised this is, you know,
Kyle Pierce:commitment, where commitment, it just makes sense to Taurus. I
Ada:Why would I change? Not working? Yeah, yeah.
Kyle Pierce:Why would I? Yeah. Why would I bother to change?
Kyle Pierce:scales, right? It's about finding balance. Yeah. And that
Ada:Taurus is inner peace, and Libra is outer peace. Inner
Kyle Pierce:Yeah. Like going to seek out one. More Libra. But
Kyle Pierce:around Venus?
Ada:Is it good for the people in power? Or is it actually good
Kyle Pierce:Venus that will do whatever I tell Venus to do that
Ada:And it's one of the reasons I asked you to come in and teach
Ada:don't know if this is my Aquarius moon and Jupiter or
Ada:Yeah, you know, of course you want a well disciplined.
Kyle Pierce:Venus in pisces. It's great. It is. Oh, yeah.
Ada:I mean, it's, I have to say it's wonderful for everyone
Ada:Pisces and it wasn't stuck anymore. But at the same time,
Ada:you even deal with this nonsense? Like, there is no
Ada:left to my own devices, I'm just gonna see power games
Kyle Pierce:Yeah, the game is trying to deal with like all the
Kyle Pierce:figuring out how to make to make beautiful things out of that, or
Kyle Pierce:you know, that it has that maybe, oh, it's Venus, but it
Kyle Pierce:head on. While with falls in excitations, talking about
Kyle Pierce:sign are actually super compatible. So you think about
Kyle Pierce:exactly the same. Like they both look like very similar
Kyle Pierce:have it are often excessively good at Mars things when it
Kyle Pierce:that is where it has to kind of walk a tightrope put Mars in
Kyle Pierce:and find a way to channel it the best way possible. But it's like
Kyle Pierce:challenging traditionally, because it's you know, if you
Kyle Pierce:don't know, it's confusing. It's hard to know exactly what the
Ada:Yeah, I mean, Robert Han says that Mars at its best is
Ada:kind of, you know, when you look at it from that lens, it's kind
Ada:has the tendency to be a little bit Scorpy onic, like I was
Ada:anybody, but it's the it's the tiniest scorpions that you have
Kyle Pierce:and the most approve. I think that was
Kyle Pierce:yeah, that's work. Yeah. And that's I loved that about when
Kyle Pierce:tempered when it's in an environment that as opposed to
Ada:Yeah, the bodyguard for the queen and the diplomat,
Kyle Pierce:yeah. And that ends up being actually actually know
Kyle Pierce:ways that they have to compromise with themselves, to
Kyle Pierce:threat from the outside because they have an outlet for it. And
Kyle Pierce:combat. Combat is great if it's not actually hurting anyone, but
Kyle Pierce:there. In cancer, it's almost like the job is sort of obvious,
Ada:and so how does this play out for you as somebody with a
Kyle Pierce:Hmm, well, it's the reverse, I guess, but it's kind
Kyle Pierce:it's hard to again, right? No, it's because there are so many
Kyle Pierce:needing to accomplish and carry out tasks, you know, accomplish
Kyle Pierce:when to fight for my needs and when to when maybe my needs are
Kyle Pierce:moon doesn't have, you know the equipment I'm just a widow moon,
Kyle Pierce:costs, you know, they're sort of having to like tighten, tighten
Kyle Pierce:care of, and, you know, sometimes it means setting my
Ada:It sounds like it's complicated. For sure. Like, it
Ada:a nursery. But if you're in a war zone, you want a big
Ada:the same time, you know, we do send very sensitive instruments
Ada:circumstances, it can be exactly what you need.
Kyle Pierce:Yeah, actually, that's, I was actually really
Kyle Pierce:comes up for other people with Scorpio men that I know. And
Kyle Pierce:and dealing with them, big changes and transformations sort
Kyle Pierce:that's basically dying, man, you have to sort of shed this part
Ada:so what you're basically saying is that we should call
Kyle Pierce:way whose care on
Ada:the ferryman Yeah,
Kyle Pierce:I thought I knew a lot about
Ada:Pluto's moons, but
Kyle Pierce:ah, yeah, thing to look up cuz that sounds
Ada:but yeah, that that psychopomp roll like I really